bluespoon

ohh I see. You want Delta language but with allegiant pay. Makes sense..

tom11011

I want solid language and industry standard work rules.

jimmy8

The minute this airline gets efficient then there goes your soft pay. You’re nuts if you don’t think our rates need to be Delta +1%. They’re about to be negotiating their next contract

tom11011

I am pretty sure the target is Alaska.

Be Realistic

Its tragic to think that you guys holding out for a legacy contract dont understand how you are helping Maury. Every day you stay in negotiations, you are costing the company 2015 pay plus 35%. You won't get back pay at your new rates, what ever they may be, so the longer you hold out the longer you leave money behind which will never be recovered.

For comparison, I looked at 10 yr CA and 4 Year FO for G4+35%/B6/AA.

Seat G4/ B6/ AA
CA $296/$354/$358 ($58-$62/hr cheaper labor)
FO $156/$198/$240 ($42-$84/hr cheaper labor)

And your 401 is 7% lower.

The longer you hold out the better it is for Maury.

Your new EXCO dont want you to get a contract any time soon. They are punishing you for breaking off from 1224. And MG doesnt want you to get a contract any time soon. You're just too cheap to pass up!

So good luck to the 98% of really good guys and girls at Allegiant. It is such a pity that the 2% of the coolaid drinkers hanging on to the words of those who happen to currently have some power, or have previously held power, and are so intent on delaying your earning potential.

captnate702

this guy gets it. Asking for legacy pay when our fellow ULCC is filling for BK and the other is on life support is crazy.

“Hey NMB will you release us? We are done negotiating because management won’t give us legacy pay, they are treating like us ULCC pilots.”

NMB: you are a ULCC

IBT: we are narrow body pilots all narrow pilots get paid legacy rates.

NMB: no they don’t.

IBT: yes they do its the cost of doing business. Just ignore that other ULCCs are failing and going out of business. Management is bargaining in bad faith by not paying us legacy rates.

NMB: hmmmm makes sense.

We got screwed by ibt and AR. Missed our window. Hiring environment has completely shifted. We need to lock in a deal even if it’s below legacy market rates. The rates and retirement that were passed two months, lock those in for two years instead of hoping the market makes another crazy turn and ULCCs start becoming crazy profitable again (very unlikely).

it sucks. But this is IBT’s fault. The buck stops with them and they let AR run wild and screw with our careers. It’s also our fault for “trusting” AR and “giving him the benefit of the doubt.” Im tired of giving IBT the benefit of the doubt when all we get are smoke screens like the latest trustee meeting. Not again. If it doesn’t make sense then I don’t believe a word they said. We are not atlas or NetJets.

IBT is playing right into management’s hands. They’ve got F&H attorneys running circles around our NC. The last thing management wants is a deal now and the IBT is going along with it and we are the losers once again.

But hey I’m glad the NC worked 10 hours the other day to try and get us a contract. I’m sure Jay and JR are exhausted after such a long day. Surprised the NC didn’t call out fatigue after all those negotiations.

tom11011

Pure nonsense. You are dismissed.

tom11011

As far as I know we are targeting Alaska not Legacy so I don't know where you even get that from.

captnate702

Tom - Be Real gets it. You are the only one not seeing the writing on the wall because you are too emotional about it. Look at it logically. Nothing he said was nonsense. But hey just dismiss him. Keep drinking the kool aid. You just repeat whatever union propaganda is shoved down your throat. AR? GU? JR? JA? Doesn’t matter who or what it is, you are incapable of thinking for yourself. It’s cool, you just really love your union no matter what the evidence says. It’s becoming cult like behavior tho. Zero credibility.

captnate702

member of NC told me Alaska won’t get it done. It’s legacy pay. Told me Alaska is below market based on JetBlue’s new rates post failed merger.