tom11011

Well I’m glad there’s something you want.

captnate702

im pretty sure we’ve already got a TA on furlough with some extra protections. I remember AR bragging about it on his videos. He obviously could have been lying.

Sure I guess I’ll wait another year for some protections on partner airlines that are irrelevant to us. We don’t have codeshares so what does it matter. If there are viva specific protections then let’s look at them, but I’m not willing to fight for an extra year over scope stuff just because GU doesn’t like the number of seats on viva’s aircraft’s.

Scope is a boogeyman. The Lorenzo protections against alter ego airlines are already in our scope, that’s the most important imo.

tom11011

Things are never a problem until they are a problem. Just because we don't do something today doesn't mean we won't do it tomorrow and I think you know that. We have to plan for all contingencies including overnights. I understand from your position though, none of the rules will ever apply to you with your seniority. But they apply to everyone else. You are just going to have to wait it out. There have been like 3 surveys now? You are in a very very small minority of pilots.

captnate702

And that is why GU will always have people like you by the balls, drinking all his kool aid.

dude he negotiated the first scope clause! So now it’s terrible and we are all gonna lose our jobs because he sucked the first time around so we trust him this time?? You are incredible. I’ve got some swamp land in pgd to sell you, you’ll love it right in your backyard.

Margaritaville

Got to disagree with you here. Scope is very important especially when you're dealing with a scoundrel like MG. It's not unrealistic that he could sign a code share agreement with anyone the next day and transfer flying. It's a foregone conclusion that Viva will be flying from Mexico into every G4 base and many large destinations. Also did you already forget about Miami Air replacing G4 flights? None of those would fall under alter ego.

tom11011

I know the two of you have agreed and disagreed in the past on a variety of issues. I think you know this already, but in case you do not, you are conversing with someone in Allegiant management with their own priorities.

tom11011

Who exactly do you want to negotiate the contract? You are not happy with anyone! Old local, new local, old local board, new local board, ALPA drive. Who would be acceptable to speak for your interests?

captnate702

maybe our own pilots without GU pulling all the strings or let’s just rip the bandaid and go with ALPA, it’s not like we are gonna get a contract anytime soon so let’s just go to Alpa.

I still think JR and our NC could be good for our pilot group if he stops drinking GU’s kool aid and swallowing everything he drinks.

Margaritaville

No I don't think Nate is in allegiant management but I do think he's an aloof <200 seniority captain who only cares about the issues that affect him (money, LTD, retirement) and to hell with the rest. Those guys are the biggest handicap to unity the G4 pilot group has. They will gladly throw the rest of the pilot group under the bus as they did in the first contract and they're a very vocal minority.

That said the opposite extreme is you guys who want to do a full rewrite and bring the Delta contract to allegiant. That is a quixotic adventure.

The two of you are just talking past each other. If this is what's truly happening in the pilot group (which I doubt) you'll never get a contract until you collectively meet in the middle and task your negotiators. Sounds like GU, JR, and CG have a pretty tough job herding cats right now.

tom11011

Not really, there are some parity items that are set in stone for any airline pilot at any carrier, these are just a cost of doing business and Allegiant will just have to swallow it. And this is even before we worry about minor items such as pay. And that's it. Pilots here aren't asking for anything more then what their peers already have and if I can be so bold as to maybe speak for some of them, would even be willing to accept a little less in pay to keep the out and back model them same but have solid rules. We are not *****s and we aren't going to allow the company to pull some kind of sourcery to move items around and give us a cost neutral contract. And one thing about GU that you both are missing, he doesn't want to be here any longer than he has too.