Originally Posted by Captainbfv

OOOOOOOOOK, I gotta ask much projecting is going on here? You guys are calling out the prior candidate by name and trashing him like he's the union president or lead negotiator? So what am I missing here? Typical arms chair length and key board warrior behavior from many of you. Skyvan? buddy.... 10 posts? Where the ************K have you been for the past 2 years? Yes AR is worse than Greg, for starters we actually have a union being built from the ground up now, have official chairmen of different committees and they're getting trainedproperly.

Secondly, until you can prove that GU is failing this union with current practices AT THIS POINT IN TIME. You accussations are baseless. Now, IF you have something solid, but it out or go down the rabbitt hole appropriately. I'm not defending GU blindly, I'm just saying that as a trustee he has A LOT to live up to and build from NOTHING. BC that's what AR left; NOTHING.

Trusteeship is temporary and we can only hope (at this point in time) that we have elections soon, and people running are worthy of representing us. Trusteeship can last 6 to 18 months; it's been 4 months. So why are some of you acting like Greg has been here for 3 years? Now I know what you'll say, he was part of 1224 that gave us the current **** contract. I won't contradict that, and I don't think anyone will. All I'm saying is, holster your guns for now and just wait a little longer. How much longer? It's up to the individual. Many variable and unprecedented things have come up. But I think if you are going to SH***** on JR like hes running the show, or he has let you down, then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, stop being a little keyboard warrior b*****tch and call the fu****g guy and "demand answers".

Some of y'all talk like you have a crystal ball, tarot cards or know the future; you don't. IF you're really concerned about something contact the individuals, seek answers, then talk and share. Right now you're like raging apes fighting over a turd you didn't even ********t out.

Originally Posted by Captainbfv

OOOOOOOOOK, I gotta ask much projecting is going on here? You guys are calling out the prior candidate by name and trashing him like he's the union president or lead negotiator? So what am I missing here? Typical arms chair length and key board warrior behavior from many of you. Skyvan? buddy.... 10 posts? Where the ************K have you been for the past 2 years? Yes AR is worse than Greg, for starters we actually have a union being built from the ground up now, have official chairmen of different committees and they're getting trainedproperly.

Secondly, until you can prove that GU is failing this union with current practices AT THIS POINT IN TIME. You accussations are baseless. Now, IF you have something solid, but it out or go down the rabbitt hole appropriately. I'm not defending GU blindly, I'm just saying that as a trustee he has A LOT to live up to and build from NOTHING. BC that's what AR left; NOTHING.

Trusteeship is temporary and we can only hope (at this point in time) that we have elections soon, and people running are worthy of representing us. Trusteeship can last 6 to 18 months; it's been 4 months. So why are some of you acting like Greg has been here for 3 years? Now I know what you'll say, he was part of 1224 that gave us the current **** contract. I won't contradict that, and I don't think anyone will. All I'm saying is, holster your guns for now and just wait a little longer. How much longer? It's up to the individual. Many variable and unprecedented things have come up. But I think if you are going to SH***** on JR like hes running the show, or he has let you down, then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, stop being a little keyboard warrior b*****tch and call the fu****g guy and "demand answers".

Some of y'all talk like you have a crystal ball, tarot cards or know the future; you don't. IF you're really concerned about something contact the individuals, seek answers, then talk and share. Right now you're like raging apes fighting over a turd you didn't even ********t out.

Originally Posted by captnate702

Hey capt bro, I do have a crystal ball. Look at all my posts about AR. I am a f*cking prophet.

Trust me, JR is looking more like a let down politician. JA is NC Chair in name only, JR is calling the shots. Have you met JA? I have. Super nice guy. Great guy. But JR is the Alpha and calling the shots for the Allegiant pilots. So far I’m hearing and seeing more politician playing games and becoming the new C graff. Just my two cents.

And check my receipts my two cents is always right.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Jeez this guy with his potty mouth fits right in with the trucker's union you have. Now all y'all need is some cracked kneecaps.

Originally Posted by DwightSnute

Building from the ground up? GU and the other idiots in 1224 leadership already had their shot. There is no building from the ground up if the foundation is garbage. 1224 was destructive enough that we left them to form our own local. You don't need a crystal ball to realize you shouldn't repeat past mistakes. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Trusting GU and the 1224 to properly represent you with the first contract was a huge mistake, and you want to go down that road again and give them a chance? With thinking like this, it's no wonder you guys are at least full two contract cycles behind what the standard was at the legacies.

Originally Posted by skyvanman

Originally Posted by Captainbfv

History does have a way of repeating itself doesnt it? I'm not gonna disagree with the 1224 representation, it wasn't very good to say the least. Robles started 2118 and squandered every opporutnity to have a strong local/functioning union. Now? Under GU leadership we'll have to see what is built and left for our local pilots to run soon. I also agree that yeah, you don't need a crystal ball, you just have to understand human nature. The heart is easily corruptible and people place their own interests about others many times. BUT, I say again, I (ME) cannot, will not condemn anyone or accuse them of anything since GU has taken over. We have to remain vigilant, engaged, question, but remain cool, calm and collected for a bit.

We rooted out corruption before, and we can do it again if it comes down to it. We're not there, we need to just watch and support our fellow brothers and sisters that are currently donating their time under this new leadership. Which by the way IS providing them proper tools and training to do their jobs. Something we didn't have under AR.

Originally Posted by skyvanman

You do realize that we left 1224 almost exclusively becuase the people running it (GU and Comp.) were using us as their personal piggy bank right? Are you seriously going to say in one breath that 1224 was bad and then in your next breath say that we should give THE SAME GUY a chance to "rebuild" our local? It's so painfully evident you haven't once read the IBT constitution. Do you know what happens at the conclusion of EMERGENCY trusteeship? If an election of officers isn't held, the local is dissolved and ALL FUNDS go into the IBT general fund. Go read it for yourself. If you think GU is here to save the day, you're in for a world of hurt.

We did root out corruption before, now we need to rid ourselves of it completely. The ineptness of the IBT is costing each pilot hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point. We finally have an oppritunity to move to real AIRLINE representation and y'all are letting GU scare you with complete BS. How hard is it to recognize that 2118 voting in ALPA is GU's worst nightmare. He will do anything to keep our money, he does not care the tiniest bit about a single pilot on a seniority list of an airline he isn't employed by.

I proudly support our brothers and sisters that volunteer with all the BS rhetoric that gets thrown around here. Imagine how strong of committees we would have if we weren't getting trained by truck drivers and regional pilots... have you ever wondered why not a single other major airline is represented by the IBT?

Originally Posted by Captainbfv

Yeah I know JA, I know JR, I also know I'm not in the room so I can't claim with any certainty that JR is calling the shots. They are all working well, and whatever they're doing seems to be working. So as I said before, I'm not going to let emotions Trump reason. I am giving the benefit of the doubt, like I did with AR. Until all doubt is removed I won't comment with such certainty like you. I do know JR, I know him personally, and he is not what you're claiming he is. Secondly, lets say hypothetically that you were right? Isn't that a good thing? IF he's actually the ALPHA "leading" negotiations indirectly? I mean, if my memory serves me right you supported him before, no?

Lastly, you were right about AR in many ways, but did you do anything about it outside of just ranting here about him? Cuz last I checked you weren't part of the individuals that helped me expose all the lies. Did you get censored by AR like I did bc I pushed back hard on him after the election and during the audit? Not trying to measure d****s here, just stating facts. Ranting in these public forums doesn't really go very far. Just my 2 cents of course.

Originally Posted by Captainbfv

Yeah I know you're trying to pitch ALPA in your little rant here, but majority of pilots don't want any sort of decertification while in negotiations. This has already been discussed in length. Now, I read somewhere on this forum regarding Greg funneling money from 2118 to 1224 "because the bylaws..." and some not holding elections. The federal LMRDA expressly prohibits "ANY" transfer of funds from the local to a superior body (ie the IBT), or any expenditure not necessary for the normal operation of the union. It's also illegal under the act to not return the subordinate to self-governance after a max of 18 months, and there is almost no reasonable scenario were thrustiship could be legally extended.

In short, if Greg ever tried to F us, we sue him and he goes to jail. It's not even a question.