Margaritaville

Nobody is buying your victim card Tom.

Also at least 3 other people with the last pages said the same thing I said.

Look in the mirror. Follow Andrew the rest of the way off the cliff he jumped off. Nobody seems to want YOUR help.

Bitcoin

We could solve this very quickly with a poll, would have to be in the fb group.

tailendcharlie

Hardly anyone on the fb page is willing to combat the "it takes as long as it takes" mantra & risk getting flamed. There's little in the way of nuanced/reasonable discourse going on there...

jimmy8

I don’t think the majority of us want to just take what we can get, but I think we all recognize how big of a joke the union is and we need to stop fighting over a perfect contract. Obviously the big ticket items have to be there or it’s a no from most of us (min day pay/block or better, standard pay, standard loss of license, standard 401k, new pbs system). If those things were met then it’s an easy contract but I fear the union is just saying no to everything the company is proposing and not countering. If the company was smart, they’d release a mailer of those big ticket items being standard

tom11011

I don't feel that way, I doubt the majority feel that way. Who would you have negotiate the contract without the Union?

You may not have read yesterday's update yet, to quote-
"We are not seeking perfection. Perfection has......"

SladeTin

I remember hearing similar things from AR along the way. Forgive me if my faith in the IBT isn’t all that great right now.

Captainbfv

Interesting point of view. Same thing I've discussed with certain individuals. The issue we're having is the company continues to ignore the big ticket items. I somewhat agree, that IF the company was "smart" or really wanting to get a deal done they would tackle specific items in their mailer. But yet they haven't. Frankly, based on my discussions with individuals "in the know" (company), they agree with pretty much the major items. But MG is the one that keeps resisting. Of course he couldn't do this with union busting 101 lawyer (JG). That dude's firm is getting rich the longer this takes. Everyone in the negotiating room is basically powerless. Maury holds all the cards. This week's mediation will really let us know where the company wants to go with these mediations/negotiations. Not that many of us don't sort of see the writting on the wall. But this week will most likely remove all doubt to many.

Captainbfv

Correct. I personally know the negotiators, and they are NOT seeking Delta with day trips. That statement from anyone is unequivocally false. The company NEEDS to move towards the middle and we will see progress and a possible AIP. The excuse of the "business model" frankly is to operate this airline like a GLORIFIED 135 operation. They want the flexibility to reasign, shift days, ignore seniority based on their last minute needs with no repercussions or financial penalties such as PAYING for a last minute change. Anyone that flew 135 in the last 20 years like I did know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. They could throw $450/hr and get their way, but they keep trying to get away with being cheap. They ****ed up on business venture decisions and now want the pilots to pay for it. I don't think so buster.

Captainbfv

AR was a bull**** used car saleman. His strategy was to drag this crap on for as long as it took and hope the NMB released us for strike. He bet all of our futures for his own ambition and goal to never fly again and become some negotiating "legend". There's a reason why he's still in FMLA. He has no interest in being a pilot at G4. ********ng parasite.

skyvanman

Let me get this right, you think GU is any better than AR? You're kidding me right? GU blasted AR in his trusteeship hearing for not being current in the class or craft which he represented... remind me again what GU's seniority number is here at Allegiant? Oh that's right, he's never once lived life as a pilot here, yet we now are told he will make sure he best represents our interests? Don't get me wrong, what happened with AR was a disgrace, but IBT shares as much responsibility for even allowing it to happen in the first place. We've now removed one inept leadership group and replaced it with one singular inept individual who represents f*cking regional airlines and a couple cargo outfits. GU is so inammered with himself that he refuses to ever allow anyone the agency to speak to what's best for Allegiant pilots. GU doesn't care about getting us a contract, his only concern is ensuring the hive keeps buzzing so we don't notice him draining our dues money into he and his buddies bank accounts. It's the very reason we all voted to leave 1224 in the first place. We're all worried about what happens to the $8+ million in 2118's bank account, well guess what, EG and GU will make sure it's gone quicker than you can fathom.

These are the questions we need to immediately be asking of GU:

1. Did GU ever apply for a Chief Pilot position at Allegiant. (Spoiler, the answer is yes and this should immediately DQ this guy from representing us.)

2. Your so called "experts" at the negotiating table have little experience negotiating airline pilot contracts. Care to shed some light on which pilot CBA's they achieved? (your email to pilots used their experience as negotiators for MX, DX, and Ramp is BS)

3. How is CBA 2.0 going to be any different than the sh*t you negotiated within CBA 1.0? GU is responsible for our current POS contract, are we seriously stupid enough to let him come in and f*ck this one up too?