tailendcharlie

You guys - Allegiant pilots - have collectively lost perspective. The Teamsters?You're the laughingstock of the industry. Do you know how a DC plan works? Know how to do the math what you're leaving on the table/time value of money? Go ahead let GU lead you through a line-by-line rewrite - eventually I'm sure you'll turn this job into Delta With Day Trips. 4 on-4 off. You'll win in the end.

captnate702

This is the appropriate perspective. Just the time value of money in our 401k will be hundreds of thousands of dollars for the majority of Allegiant pilots - some will lose close to a million dollars by waiting for GU and IBT to deliver the perfect contract - even tho that will never happen.

GU is using Allegiant pilots to audition for a job that he lost. He’s trying to recreate himself as Bourne. It’s the same vanity project as Robles. Use Allegiant pilots and our contract to become a professional politician and mob boss.

Rumors I’m hearing is that we will be lucky to get a deal within the next 12 months. End of 2025 or early 2026 is more likely. IBT wants to fully rework scheduling and “data driven” work rules that work with day trips. These types of rumors just show me how far away we are from a deal. Even though it’s been 3+ years, 2.5 years was with Robles lost and clueless. 6 months has been cleaning up his mess and sifting through 3 separate negotiating committees.

So how much actual bargaining have we done? I’d say we’ve only TA’d 1-2 of the “big/tough” sections (training and instructors). Other than that, we haven’t TA’d any of the big sections that actually take a lot of time.

Buckle up, don’t do the math and look at what you’re missing out on in DC retirement while the IBT plays with our careers - it’s too depressing.

G4er

I was hoping the new team would actually negotiate. The one thing they did right was hire a lawyer who has aviation contract experience. Under Robles we had zero lawyers with aviation experience but would buy baseball tickets etc for the negotiation team. A couple of sessions ago the company passed a comprehensive package and they passed back nothing and told us they didn’t pass anything because they wanted to work only on scheduling etc. Why not pass just scheduling then??? Why pass nothing??? This time they came a wee bit more prepared and passed bullet points.
WTF??

tailendcharlie

Isn't it convenient or just a happy coincidence I guess as long as these negotiations drag on GU keeps us locked up in the IBT Airline Division....

SladeTin

Super convenient. I think we have some good people on the negotiating committee at the moment from our pilot group, but GU isn’t one of them. He cares about as much about us as AR did. Amazing how many people are willing to be kool-aid drinkers and believe otherwise. His immediate threats after the ALPA drive came out told me all I needed to know. He still hasn’t given us reasons why we’re better off with IBT, just threats. Classic Teamsters.

Captainbfv

I don't think anyone frankly is drinking the kool-aid. I know I'm not. Many, but myself am doing the same thing i did with Robles at the beginning. Giving the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. It's been 3 months and a lot has happened. But there has been plenty of movement. I think everyone, or at least everyone that I've talked to is doing the same. As well as seeing the company try to force their comprehensive package.
The company always complained that Robles wasn't negotiatiing in good faith or at all. That it was just games. Well, they now have the chance to do it. And I personally believe that they will, of course it doesn't mean that they wont try to get all their way if they can. But yeah, I still firmly believe that a deal will be reached in a few months. June was overly ambitious by the company, hell many of us hoped. But between the Owen's wrench that was thrown in April, it definitely upset everyone; including the company.
Reality is that if you lose all faith and had enough then you must move one if you can. If you plan on staying here then you need to gut it out just a bit longer; just a bit.

captnate702

Hope is not a strategy. Giving GU and IBT the benefit of the doubt is just naive hope. We know who GUnand IBT are because they controlled for years and look where it got us???

There is no way we get a deal until early 2025 - at the absolute earliest. That came straight from the source. NC needs time playing with NB sandbox before we can get deal and that will take at least until the end of the year. NC isn't planning on talking compensation until after everything else is done (scheduling and scope). We are no where close to getting a deal done.

I think early 2025 is way too ambitious given they just started talking scheduling and need to “play around with Navblu” before can negotiate the work rules. Then scope? Then compensation? Say goodbye to another year of wages and DC to retirement. Just another $300-$400k gone from my retirement account while we wait at least another year…

Margaritaville

*PULLS PIN - THROWS*

If you wanted mainline DC retirement and mainline wages then you should have left for American when the rest of us did. You had the chance and refused to leave. Stop whining and take responsibility for your choices. You knew that it would come to this.

*RUNS AWAY*

pipercub

This is all 100% in the companies court now. If they really want a deal, not sure they ever did. They can get in the room and get to work. If they are not willing to meet more than 3 days a month, yes it will take forever. They have made excusses of why its not done, but little to no effort to get real and get it done. If they Company is OK with taking the month of July off from any Neg with the Union they are 100% the problem. If this pilot group would come together and in one voice let the company know this is no longer aceptable, that they need to get in there and work with whoever is our reps, and that we as a group will not settle again for less than what anyone else gets for the same job. They wanted the deal done in June, they just wanted that deal to look like what the email showed. Take the money again with better retirement and except we controll everything else. They will continue to push for that deal until the pilots step up and say NO. They will only get to work when they belive that to get the deal done they will have no other option than to pay up. I 100% believe that they still think they can break this pilots groups resolve for getting the deal we deserve.

tailendcharlie

The mediator has more on their plate then just Allegiant. They set the schedule. In the past the 2 sides have met on their own maybe they'll do this in July.