Originally Posted by Margaritaville

A friend sent this to me yesterday. An ALPA card drive? In the middle of negotiations? Are you guys nuts?

https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...epresentation/

I remember several years ago when a small group looked into this and apparently were told by ALPA organizers that G4 pilots could not go directly from IBT to ALPA because the two signed a no compete clause. Apparently the only way to do it would be to decertify IBT to go non union and then recertify ALPA with another card drive. That sounds extremely dangerous at a place like allegiant where you know Maury is going to put his thumb on the scale and a lot of pilots will listen.

Y'all keep this up and you're going to find yourselves with no contract and no protection. Ask around what it was like working there before the union came on property. Also how much is in that Andrew "negotiations" slush fund? What happens to that money?

Y'all know I'm no fan of Andrew or the IBT but this is the nuclear option. A crappy union is better than no union. Probably not a good time for this.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

That said, G4 would be well served to go to ALPA but because you can't go directly from IBT to ALPA because of the no compete agreement between the two that becomes very risky. There is no way around that except to decertify IBT and then recertify ALPA as I've been told.

Btw you need to do your research. K9 decertified IBT and went non union and then immediately recertified ALPA. But they were a 200 pilot group and well organized. Not a thousand+ group where 30% or so don't engage at all on union issues and were fine before IBT came in and massive fractures exist within the union leadership.

Originally Posted by FXLAX

This is not true. First, there has never been a non-compete clause between ALPA and the IBT since 2005 because that is when the IBT left the AFL-CIO. They lost any non-compete when they decided to leave.

Second, Kalitta was represented by the IBT up until the NMB announced that ALPA won. Then immediately ALPA represented the Kalitta pilots. Below are links for the NMB certifcation and then a link for the ALPA press release on the same exact day.

This also happend with ATI and Amerijet. They both became represented by ALPA the minute IBT was voted off. There is no danger of going non-union UNLESS the majority of those voting elect "non-union." Otherwise, the union with the plurality of the votes wins and represents immediately.

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...ta-crewmembers


https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...Pearce-IBT.pdf

Originally Posted by captnate702

I heard the same about Kalitta.

there is no chance Allegiant pilots would vote non union. I’ve spoken to dozens of pilots and most would prefer ALPA, not a single has ever mentioned non union. That will never happen no matter how much FHS and management try to convince us.

I do think there are several ppl on these threads that are in bed with the teamsters and will create any lies and fear tactics to keep us from going to ALPA. (I’m talking about you CG and cronies).

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie

Yup....guys on fb saying with a straight face we'd lose the retention bonus since "it was negotiated with the ibt"

okay, think that through for a minute...

Wrong time now, but this pilot group has to do it after the CBA. This is a joke.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie

Yup....guys on fb saying with a straight face we'd lose the retention bonus since "it was negotiated with the ibt"

okay, think that through for a minute...

Wrong time now, but this pilot group has to do it after the CBA. This is a joke.

Originally Posted by captnate702

Can you believe that??? How ignorant are pilots about basic things that significantly impact their career and earnings?

I would honestly be surprised if management didn’t come out and say that retention bonus will be paid no matter what happens with the union drama.

Management needs that retention bonus more than any single pilot does. That bonus cut attrition by at least 50% probably closer to 75%. We were more than a pilot a day leaving and within a couple months the number was single digits per month.

Make no mistake management needs the carrot of that retention bonus more than the union or even the line pilots.

I am shocked that so many pilots are believing the teamster propaganda right now. The same GU who negotiated this contract that we all agree sucks is the guy pulling all the strings and playing puppet master with this NC.

Originally Posted by pipercub

IF ALPA is the best option RIGHT NOW, then why are none of those behind it willing to put their actual name and reputation on it. Hiding behind a website and or a fake name on sites like this means nothing. This drive is already dead. If it's founders feel its not worth to publicly supporting it.

Originally Posted by captnate702

You read Greg’s latest email, the pilots behind the ALPA drive will be prosecuted as insurrectionists under the IBT Constitution and bylaws. Then they will be flogged, frocked and fed to the teamster wolves.

The balls on GU to come out and condemn Allegiant pilots for wanting ALPA and tiring of the teamsters is incredible and reminds of our former supreme leader Captain Robles.

im laughing at all those ibt cheerleaders who will probably still come on here and tell me that management is behind this. Or that this is Robles trying gain power again. FALSE. These are real Allegiant pilots who want a professional union representing us instead of the tired teamsters and their corruption.

Originally Posted by Jim Rockford

The only corruption I've seen was that slimeball Robles......an Allegiant pilot.

Originally Posted by captnate702

I find it insulting that GU is telling Allegiant pilots what’s best for them and saying that if we disagree with him then we are insurrectionists, traitors and deserving of punishment.

GU knows the teamsters cannot come close to representing us the way ALPA can so he doesn’t even try to tell us why we would be better off with ibt instead of Alpa. Not a word of “this is why the Ibt is the right place for Allegiant pilots.” Instead it’s just threats.

i didn’t think the Alpa drive had much steam but after that email from GU it’s clear that ibt is scared of losing us and resorting to idle threats and name calling. This is a legitimate card drive to move to Alpa. GU just told us so with his communication and calling out Alpa officials by name.