Contract negotiations
03-27-2023, 05:40 PM
#1651
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,014
I think we should be playing smart, not give them something to show a judge etc. look Tom said this and then this started happening. Maybe educate yourself, maybe talk to a Spirit pilot? Or maybe you are 100 times smarter than me and I’m just an idiot who is overthinking things.Another thing when that email went out 10 times the open time pick ups started happening.
03-30-2023, 09:53 AM
#1652
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 479
SMH, this kind of thinking/sharing one’s opinions is what caused our current EXCO to put out a email to us Encouraging people to pick up open time while guys and gals were on the street. Probably the only union president to ever do something like that in the history of the world.
while I agree with you I would also like to add that it’s a 2 way street and the status quo has been broken by the company changing the fatigue program. Allegint is severely understaffed due to the amount of open time pick ups and vfns that pilots take. It’s really sad hurts the union and negotiation process. Don’t change the status quo and don’t get sued.
03-30-2023, 10:10 AM
#1653
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 717
while I agree with you I would also like to add that it’s a 2 way street and the status quo has been broken by the company changing the fatigue program. Allegint is severely understaffed due to the amount of open time pick ups and vfns that pilots take. It’s really sad hurts the union and negotiation process. Don’t change the status quo and don’t get sued.
04-02-2023, 12:36 AM
#1654
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 12
I worked for Allegiant for a year, and made the switch to a legacy and now I am happier than ever.
If you are thinking about coming to Allegiant, I will strongly encourage you to reconsider, and here is why:
- As a junior person, you will probably be stuck on reserve, crediting industry trailing 3.75 hours per day. if you get a line as a junior pilot prepare to fly a lot of 4 legs a day, because this is the only thing your seniority can get you and for a very long time you will be doing that. The number of trips crediting 6 hours+ with only two legs are very little and those go to senior pilots. if you don’t want to work 4 legs, you can try bidding for 2 legs, but the only ones your seniority will get you are some short turns worth maybe 3 hours total and that’s all the credit that you will get since Allegiant doesn’t have a min day guarantee!!! I have even seen trips worth 2.5 hours of credit and on first-year pay, these trips are not even worth getting off the couch for.
- You will be working block or better by day and not by leg. For example, if you have a trip with two legs, where the first leg is worth 2 hours of credit, and you ended up blocking 2 hours and 15 min, and then on the second leg that is let’s say also worth 2 hours and you blocked 1 hour and 45 min because you arrived 15 min early, you will end up with 4 hours of pay for that day instead of 4 hours and 15 min if it was block or better by leg. These few minutes here and there add up to a few hours at the end of a month which Allegiant pilots are not getting.
- You only get 50% pay for deadheads and I’ve deadheaded several times on the line there, so it would have been nice to have that. Even the regionals now have 100% DH pay.
- 401K contribution is a total joke compared to other airlines. I am not going to even elaborate on that because this is self-explanatory.
- Soft time is simply none existent, so the only way for you to make extra is to simply work your ass off. Max out on your block hours to the point that crew scheduling has to remove you from a trip for legality issues with pay protection, and then pick up something else from the open time. That was the only way that I was able to make extra hours in Allegiant. Even then with first-year pay, you won’t be making much. I made more on training pay in a legacy than I used to make working in Allegiant with 110 hours of credit a month.
Conversely, if you don’t want to work a lot and would prefer to work your 75 hours guarantee, you simply can’t because the company forces you to work more by designating every month during bidding a certain amount of credit for low, medium, and high credit lines where the low most of the times are 85 hours and high is 95. This is yet another way for Allegiant to work you out to death and fatigue you instead of having a proper amount of staffing. This gives them the ability to drag their feet and not rush signing a new contract because they can simply overwork the pilot group.
- My training was the most disorganized and time-consuming that I have ever seen. I had instances where I was sitting in a hotel for two weeks and every day my sim session would cancel because they couldn’t find an instructor. They would simply put that sim session on the open time for the instructors, and if nobody picked it up, then the lesson would just be canceled and the students would continue to sit in the hotel. And you can’t go home either since they keep pushing those lessons for the next day hoping that an instructor will pick it up from the open time. How embarrassing is that for an airline to be so disorganized and **** up so badly in scheduling training events? This is simply a horrible planning and a result of a cheap ass company that doesn’t want to spend the extra money on proper software for training schedulers that spend an enormous amount of time figuring out what’s going on since they work with excel sheets. Pathetic…
- Growth is none existent, the company is shrinking due to a high attrition rate and can’t hire enough people to compensate for all the people that are leaving. It will take you at least 5 years to become a captain unless you are willing to go to Flint. Don’t believe the timeline that the recruiters are telling you in the interviews.
- Let’s also not forget that Maury is greedy and cheap, and this is the number one reason why Allegiant will never get an industry-leading contract as long as this person is pulling the reins. The current CEO John Redmond is just his puppet to follow all his commands. MG will find every way possible to save money on every small thing you can think of and the contract negotiations are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many small things that can make the life of a pilot in Allegiant much easier and cost extra money that the company simply doesn’t want to spend. Why have PDC when pilots can just call for clearance on the radio? Why certify the whole fleet and pilots for RNP approaches when you can fly some weird VOR A approach and circle to land? you would think that Allegiant is the airline that probably needs RNP approach capability the most among all the airlines since they go to those weird places in a bunch of mountainous areas and airports that some of them don’t have ILS at all. Why have an Engine Out path in the MCDU that will fly your Engine Out SID or EO missed approach for you in Reno or Missoula when you can put a bunch of radials and circles in your FIX INFO page? You see where I am going? These are just a few of many little things that make your job as a pilot much easier but cost extra money that the company doesn’t want to spend. These are probably things that are not a deal breaker when choosing an airline but it would certainly be nice to have those things to make your job easier, and it only shows how cheap the airline is.
- Do not believe the trolls that are trying to convince you that life is good in Allegiant!!! These are either management people, recruiters, or senior pilots that are trying to bring people over to keep the pyramid scheme going and do all the dirty work while they pick up all the VFNs (Allegiant’s designation of premium trips) and have all the nice trips on their schedule.
- Not to mention that the flight benefits on Allegiant are useless unless you want to take your wife on a vacation to Stockton, CA. Meanwhile, in a legacy, I can go pretty much anywhere in the world and already made a nice round trip to Europe in the first class.
- There is a lot more to write about the crappy contract that Allegiant has and the management’s unwillingness to spend an extra dime to keep the workgroup happy. I can easily write 10 more pages about it. To summarize, all I can say is that I served a year of a prison sentence in Allegiant and that the grass is a lot greener pretty much everywhere right now. So do yourself and your family a favor and find another place to go. Likewise, for those that are currently working in Allegiant, if you have at least 10 years left on your clock, I would strongly advise you to make the jump. With 10 years on the clock, you can retire as a captain and have retiree flight benefits for life. For those that are looking at Allegiant as a prospective airline job, If after all of this you still want to come to Allegiant, you seriously need a medical evaluation.
If you are thinking about coming to Allegiant, I will strongly encourage you to reconsider, and here is why:
- As a junior person, you will probably be stuck on reserve, crediting industry trailing 3.75 hours per day. if you get a line as a junior pilot prepare to fly a lot of 4 legs a day, because this is the only thing your seniority can get you and for a very long time you will be doing that. The number of trips crediting 6 hours+ with only two legs are very little and those go to senior pilots. if you don’t want to work 4 legs, you can try bidding for 2 legs, but the only ones your seniority will get you are some short turns worth maybe 3 hours total and that’s all the credit that you will get since Allegiant doesn’t have a min day guarantee!!! I have even seen trips worth 2.5 hours of credit and on first-year pay, these trips are not even worth getting off the couch for.
- You will be working block or better by day and not by leg. For example, if you have a trip with two legs, where the first leg is worth 2 hours of credit, and you ended up blocking 2 hours and 15 min, and then on the second leg that is let’s say also worth 2 hours and you blocked 1 hour and 45 min because you arrived 15 min early, you will end up with 4 hours of pay for that day instead of 4 hours and 15 min if it was block or better by leg. These few minutes here and there add up to a few hours at the end of a month which Allegiant pilots are not getting.
- You only get 50% pay for deadheads and I’ve deadheaded several times on the line there, so it would have been nice to have that. Even the regionals now have 100% DH pay.
- 401K contribution is a total joke compared to other airlines. I am not going to even elaborate on that because this is self-explanatory.
- Soft time is simply none existent, so the only way for you to make extra is to simply work your ass off. Max out on your block hours to the point that crew scheduling has to remove you from a trip for legality issues with pay protection, and then pick up something else from the open time. That was the only way that I was able to make extra hours in Allegiant. Even then with first-year pay, you won’t be making much. I made more on training pay in a legacy than I used to make working in Allegiant with 110 hours of credit a month.
Conversely, if you don’t want to work a lot and would prefer to work your 75 hours guarantee, you simply can’t because the company forces you to work more by designating every month during bidding a certain amount of credit for low, medium, and high credit lines where the low most of the times are 85 hours and high is 95. This is yet another way for Allegiant to work you out to death and fatigue you instead of having a proper amount of staffing. This gives them the ability to drag their feet and not rush signing a new contract because they can simply overwork the pilot group.
- My training was the most disorganized and time-consuming that I have ever seen. I had instances where I was sitting in a hotel for two weeks and every day my sim session would cancel because they couldn’t find an instructor. They would simply put that sim session on the open time for the instructors, and if nobody picked it up, then the lesson would just be canceled and the students would continue to sit in the hotel. And you can’t go home either since they keep pushing those lessons for the next day hoping that an instructor will pick it up from the open time. How embarrassing is that for an airline to be so disorganized and **** up so badly in scheduling training events? This is simply a horrible planning and a result of a cheap ass company that doesn’t want to spend the extra money on proper software for training schedulers that spend an enormous amount of time figuring out what’s going on since they work with excel sheets. Pathetic…
- Growth is none existent, the company is shrinking due to a high attrition rate and can’t hire enough people to compensate for all the people that are leaving. It will take you at least 5 years to become a captain unless you are willing to go to Flint. Don’t believe the timeline that the recruiters are telling you in the interviews.
- Let’s also not forget that Maury is greedy and cheap, and this is the number one reason why Allegiant will never get an industry-leading contract as long as this person is pulling the reins. The current CEO John Redmond is just his puppet to follow all his commands. MG will find every way possible to save money on every small thing you can think of and the contract negotiations are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many small things that can make the life of a pilot in Allegiant much easier and cost extra money that the company simply doesn’t want to spend. Why have PDC when pilots can just call for clearance on the radio? Why certify the whole fleet and pilots for RNP approaches when you can fly some weird VOR A approach and circle to land? you would think that Allegiant is the airline that probably needs RNP approach capability the most among all the airlines since they go to those weird places in a bunch of mountainous areas and airports that some of them don’t have ILS at all. Why have an Engine Out path in the MCDU that will fly your Engine Out SID or EO missed approach for you in Reno or Missoula when you can put a bunch of radials and circles in your FIX INFO page? You see where I am going? These are just a few of many little things that make your job as a pilot much easier but cost extra money that the company doesn’t want to spend. These are probably things that are not a deal breaker when choosing an airline but it would certainly be nice to have those things to make your job easier, and it only shows how cheap the airline is.
- Do not believe the trolls that are trying to convince you that life is good in Allegiant!!! These are either management people, recruiters, or senior pilots that are trying to bring people over to keep the pyramid scheme going and do all the dirty work while they pick up all the VFNs (Allegiant’s designation of premium trips) and have all the nice trips on their schedule.
- Not to mention that the flight benefits on Allegiant are useless unless you want to take your wife on a vacation to Stockton, CA. Meanwhile, in a legacy, I can go pretty much anywhere in the world and already made a nice round trip to Europe in the first class.
- There is a lot more to write about the crappy contract that Allegiant has and the management’s unwillingness to spend an extra dime to keep the workgroup happy. I can easily write 10 more pages about it. To summarize, all I can say is that I served a year of a prison sentence in Allegiant and that the grass is a lot greener pretty much everywhere right now. So do yourself and your family a favor and find another place to go. Likewise, for those that are currently working in Allegiant, if you have at least 10 years left on your clock, I would strongly advise you to make the jump. With 10 years on the clock, you can retire as a captain and have retiree flight benefits for life. For those that are looking at Allegiant as a prospective airline job, If after all of this you still want to come to Allegiant, you seriously need a medical evaluation.
Last edited by SweetPotato; 04-02-2023 at 12:59 AM.
04-02-2023, 01:29 PM
#1656
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 29
“Quote:
Originally Posted by Be Realistic
The negativity on here is not misleading. It is 100% accurate. The ONLY ones who do not agree with the negative statements on here are:
1) Management posting as pilots
2) Top 25% who have everything you will never have and want a quick pay rise
3) Fools who think we are not worth the same as other pilots
The top 25% want two things in a contract. - 12 year CA pay over $300, and the company to fix high demand must work day, the only thing stopping them from having utopia. My biggest grip with the union is wasting most of the resources on the senior grievances, (and losing). 200% trips will mainly go to the senior 25% in base and seat because they are the ones who have those busy days off. And if they don't they whine like babies. Junior folks here are fed to the wolves like no other airline”
This is the most accurate description of this place that I have ever seen!
Originally Posted by Be Realistic
The negativity on here is not misleading. It is 100% accurate. The ONLY ones who do not agree with the negative statements on here are:
1) Management posting as pilots
2) Top 25% who have everything you will never have and want a quick pay rise
3) Fools who think we are not worth the same as other pilots
The top 25% want two things in a contract. - 12 year CA pay over $300, and the company to fix high demand must work day, the only thing stopping them from having utopia. My biggest grip with the union is wasting most of the resources on the senior grievances, (and losing). 200% trips will mainly go to the senior 25% in base and seat because they are the ones who have those busy days off. And if they don't they whine like babies. Junior folks here are fed to the wolves like no other airline”
This is the most accurate description of this place that I have ever seen!
04-02-2023, 01:30 PM
#1657
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 479
I worked for Allegiant for a year, and made the switch to a legacy and now I am happier than ever.
If you are thinking about coming to Allegiant, I will strongly encourage you to reconsider, and here is why:
- As a junior person, you will probably be stuck on reserve, crediting industry trailing 3.75 hours per day. if you get a line as a junior pilot prepare to fly a lot of 4 legs a day, because this is the only thing your seniority can get you and for a very long time you will be doing that. The number of trips crediting 6 hours+ with only two legs are very little and those go to senior pilots. if you don’t want to work 4 legs, you can try bidding for 2 legs, but the only ones your seniority will get you are some short turns worth maybe 3 hours total and that’s all the credit that you will get since Allegiant doesn’t have a min day guarantee!!! I have even seen trips worth 2.5 hours of credit and on first-year pay, these trips are not even worth getting off the couch for.
- You will be working block or better by day and not by leg. For example, if you have a trip with two legs, where the first leg is worth 2 hours of credit, and you ended up blocking 2 hours and 15 min, and then on the second leg that is let’s say also worth 2 hours and you blocked 1 hour and 45 min because you arrived 15 min early, you will end up with 4 hours of pay for that day instead of 4 hours and 15 min if it was block or better by leg. These few minutes here and there add up to a few hours at the end of a month which Allegiant pilots are not getting.
- You only get 50% pay for deadheads and I’ve deadheaded several times on the line there, so it would have been nice to have that. Even the regionals now have 100% DH pay.
- 401K contribution is a total joke compared to other airlines. I am not going to even elaborate on that because this is self-explanatory.
- Soft time is simply none existent, so the only way for you to make extra is to simply work your ass off. Max out on your block hours to the point that crew scheduling has to remove you from a trip for legality issues with pay protection, and then pick up something else from the open time. That was the only way that I was able to make extra hours in Allegiant. Even then with first-year pay, you won’t be making much. I made more on training pay in a legacy than I used to make working in Allegiant with 110 hours of credit a month.
Conversely, if you don’t want to work a lot and would prefer to work your 75 hours guarantee, you simply can’t because the company forces you to work more by designating every month during bidding a certain amount of credit for low, medium, and high credit lines where the low most of the times are 85 hours and high is 95. This is yet another way for Allegiant to work you out to death and fatigue you instead of having a proper amount of staffing. This gives them the ability to drag their feet and not rush signing a new contract because they can simply overwork the pilot group.
- My training was the most disorganized and time-consuming that I have ever seen. I had instances where I was sitting in a hotel for two weeks and every day my sim session would cancel because they couldn’t find an instructor. They would simply put that sim session on the open time for the instructors, and if nobody picked it up, then the lesson would just be canceled and the students would continue to sit in the hotel. And you can’t go home either since they keep pushing those lessons for the next day hoping that an instructor will pick it up from the open time. How embarrassing is that for an airline to be so disorganized and **** up so badly in scheduling training events? This is simply a horrible planning and a result of a cheap ass company that doesn’t want to spend the extra money on proper software for training schedulers that spend an enormous amount of time figuring out what’s going on since they work with excel sheets. Pathetic…
- Growth is none existent, the company is shrinking due to a high attrition rate and can’t hire enough people to compensate for all the people that are leaving. It will take you at least 5 years to become a captain unless you are willing to go to Flint. Don’t believe the timeline that the recruiters are telling you in the interviews.
- Let’s also not forget that Maury is greedy and cheap, and this is the number one reason why Allegiant will never get an industry-leading contract as long as this person is pulling the reins. The current CEO John Redmond is just his puppet to follow all his commands. MG will find every way possible to save money on every small thing you can think of and the contract negotiations are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many small things that can make the life of a pilot in Allegiant much easier and cost extra money that the company simply doesn’t want to spend. Why have PDC when pilots can just call for clearance on the radio? Why certify the whole fleet and pilots for RNP approaches when you can fly some weird VOR A approach and circle to land? you would think that Allegiant is the airline that probably needs RNP approach capability the most among all the airlines since they go to those weird places in a bunch of mountainous areas and airports that some of them don’t have ILS at all. Why have an Engine Out path in the MCDU that will fly your Engine Out SID or EO missed approach for you in Reno or Missoula when you can put a bunch of radials and circles in your FIX INFO page? You see where I am going? These are just a few of many little things that make your job as a pilot much easier but cost extra money that the company doesn’t want to spend. These are probably things that are not a deal breaker when choosing an airline but it would certainly be nice to have those things to make your job easier, and it only shows how cheap the airline is.
- Do not believe the trolls that are trying to convince you that life is good in Allegiant!!! These are either management people, recruiters, or senior pilots that are trying to bring people over to keep the pyramid scheme going and do all the dirty work while they pick up all the VFNs (Allegiant’s designation of premium trips) and have all the nice trips on their schedule.
- Not to mention that the flight benefits on Allegiant are useless unless you want to take your wife on a vacation to Stockton, CA. Meanwhile, in a legacy, I can go pretty much anywhere in the world and already made a nice round trip to Europe in the first class.
- There is a lot more to write about the crappy contract that Allegiant has and the management’s unwillingness to spend an extra dime to keep the workgroup happy. I can easily write 10 more pages about it. To summarize, all I can say is that I served a year of a prison sentence in Allegiant and that the grass is a lot greener pretty much everywhere right now. So do yourself and your family a favor and find another place to go. Likewise, for those that are currently working in Allegiant, if you have at least 10 years left on your clock, I would strongly advise you to make the jump. With 10 years on the clock, you can retire as a captain and have retiree flight benefits for life. For those that are looking at Allegiant as a prospective airline job, If after all of this you still want to come to Allegiant, you seriously need a medical evaluation.
If you are thinking about coming to Allegiant, I will strongly encourage you to reconsider, and here is why:
- As a junior person, you will probably be stuck on reserve, crediting industry trailing 3.75 hours per day. if you get a line as a junior pilot prepare to fly a lot of 4 legs a day, because this is the only thing your seniority can get you and for a very long time you will be doing that. The number of trips crediting 6 hours+ with only two legs are very little and those go to senior pilots. if you don’t want to work 4 legs, you can try bidding for 2 legs, but the only ones your seniority will get you are some short turns worth maybe 3 hours total and that’s all the credit that you will get since Allegiant doesn’t have a min day guarantee!!! I have even seen trips worth 2.5 hours of credit and on first-year pay, these trips are not even worth getting off the couch for.
- You will be working block or better by day and not by leg. For example, if you have a trip with two legs, where the first leg is worth 2 hours of credit, and you ended up blocking 2 hours and 15 min, and then on the second leg that is let’s say also worth 2 hours and you blocked 1 hour and 45 min because you arrived 15 min early, you will end up with 4 hours of pay for that day instead of 4 hours and 15 min if it was block or better by leg. These few minutes here and there add up to a few hours at the end of a month which Allegiant pilots are not getting.
- You only get 50% pay for deadheads and I’ve deadheaded several times on the line there, so it would have been nice to have that. Even the regionals now have 100% DH pay.
- 401K contribution is a total joke compared to other airlines. I am not going to even elaborate on that because this is self-explanatory.
- Soft time is simply none existent, so the only way for you to make extra is to simply work your ass off. Max out on your block hours to the point that crew scheduling has to remove you from a trip for legality issues with pay protection, and then pick up something else from the open time. That was the only way that I was able to make extra hours in Allegiant. Even then with first-year pay, you won’t be making much. I made more on training pay in a legacy than I used to make working in Allegiant with 110 hours of credit a month.
Conversely, if you don’t want to work a lot and would prefer to work your 75 hours guarantee, you simply can’t because the company forces you to work more by designating every month during bidding a certain amount of credit for low, medium, and high credit lines where the low most of the times are 85 hours and high is 95. This is yet another way for Allegiant to work you out to death and fatigue you instead of having a proper amount of staffing. This gives them the ability to drag their feet and not rush signing a new contract because they can simply overwork the pilot group.
- My training was the most disorganized and time-consuming that I have ever seen. I had instances where I was sitting in a hotel for two weeks and every day my sim session would cancel because they couldn’t find an instructor. They would simply put that sim session on the open time for the instructors, and if nobody picked it up, then the lesson would just be canceled and the students would continue to sit in the hotel. And you can’t go home either since they keep pushing those lessons for the next day hoping that an instructor will pick it up from the open time. How embarrassing is that for an airline to be so disorganized and **** up so badly in scheduling training events? This is simply a horrible planning and a result of a cheap ass company that doesn’t want to spend the extra money on proper software for training schedulers that spend an enormous amount of time figuring out what’s going on since they work with excel sheets. Pathetic…
- Growth is none existent, the company is shrinking due to a high attrition rate and can’t hire enough people to compensate for all the people that are leaving. It will take you at least 5 years to become a captain unless you are willing to go to Flint. Don’t believe the timeline that the recruiters are telling you in the interviews.
- Let’s also not forget that Maury is greedy and cheap, and this is the number one reason why Allegiant will never get an industry-leading contract as long as this person is pulling the reins. The current CEO John Redmond is just his puppet to follow all his commands. MG will find every way possible to save money on every small thing you can think of and the contract negotiations are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many small things that can make the life of a pilot in Allegiant much easier and cost extra money that the company simply doesn’t want to spend. Why have PDC when pilots can just call for clearance on the radio? Why certify the whole fleet and pilots for RNP approaches when you can fly some weird VOR A approach and circle to land? you would think that Allegiant is the airline that probably needs RNP approach capability the most among all the airlines since they go to those weird places in a bunch of mountainous areas and airports that some of them don’t have ILS at all. Why have an Engine Out path in the MCDU that will fly your Engine Out SID or EO missed approach for you in Reno or Missoula when you can put a bunch of radials and circles in your FIX INFO page? You see where I am going? These are just a few of many little things that make your job as a pilot much easier but cost extra money that the company doesn’t want to spend. These are probably things that are not a deal breaker when choosing an airline but it would certainly be nice to have those things to make your job easier, and it only shows how cheap the airline is.
- Do not believe the trolls that are trying to convince you that life is good in Allegiant!!! These are either management people, recruiters, or senior pilots that are trying to bring people over to keep the pyramid scheme going and do all the dirty work while they pick up all the VFNs (Allegiant’s designation of premium trips) and have all the nice trips on their schedule.
- Not to mention that the flight benefits on Allegiant are useless unless you want to take your wife on a vacation to Stockton, CA. Meanwhile, in a legacy, I can go pretty much anywhere in the world and already made a nice round trip to Europe in the first class.
- There is a lot more to write about the crappy contract that Allegiant has and the management’s unwillingness to spend an extra dime to keep the workgroup happy. I can easily write 10 more pages about it. To summarize, all I can say is that I served a year of a prison sentence in Allegiant and that the grass is a lot greener pretty much everywhere right now. So do yourself and your family a favor and find another place to go. Likewise, for those that are currently working in Allegiant, if you have at least 10 years left on your clock, I would strongly advise you to make the jump. With 10 years on the clock, you can retire as a captain and have retiree flight benefits for life. For those that are looking at Allegiant as a prospective airline job, If after all of this you still want to come to Allegiant, you seriously need a medical evaluation.
also you forgot that Allegiant is unable to provide flying for their customers due to the staffing issues and has global X, and other airlines flying their passengers. As a pilot at Allegaint you are replaceable. To another airline doing your flying.
04-10-2023, 06:17 PM
#1658
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 953
I agree there is some uncertainty to commit for 30 years, but, I am surprised at how young our NC and Exco are and they are all committed to staying here for the next 25-35 years. That should say something? They’re actions speak louder than their words …... But look at their actions. EV, JA, RJ, RF, KS, just to name a few. Three of them are at all the negotiations. RF is technically #2 in the union and RJ is a trustee and in the know. They all have 30-35 years left of flying and they are staying put. They also have the most info on negotiations and what to expect from the next contract. Why would they all be committed to staying for 30+years?
They have the most info about negotiations and what management is willing to do. And they are choosing to stay and get us the industry contract we deserve. That should give us all some confidence in the long term opportunity at Allegiant.
They have the most info about negotiations and what management is willing to do. And they are choosing to stay and get us the industry contract we deserve. That should give us all some confidence in the long term opportunity at Allegiant.
Following…..
04-11-2023, 08:07 AM
#1659
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 243
I agree there is some uncertainty to commit for 30 years, but, I am surprised at how young our NC and Exco are and they are all committed to staying here for the next 25-35 years. That should say something? They’re actions speak louder than their words imo.
I’m also not just talking about AR, of course he’s going to stay here and maximize the fiefdom he’s built. But there are several that have close to three decades of flying left that are committed to staying here and believe this is still a career airline (in private).
Now of course they’ll tell everybody to leave and look elsewhere because that’s the schtick right now. But look at their actions. EV, JA, RJ, RF, KS, just to name a few. Three of them are at all the negotiations. RF is technically #2 in the union and RJ is a trustee and in the know. They all have 30-35 years left of flying and they are staying put. They also have the most info on negotiations and what to expect from the next contract. Why would they all be committed to staying for 30+years?
They have the most info about negotiations and what management is willing to do. And they are choosing to stay and get us the industry contract we deserve. That should give us all some confidence in the long term opportunity at Allegiant.
I’m also not just talking about AR, of course he’s going to stay here and maximize the fiefdom he’s built. But there are several that have close to three decades of flying left that are committed to staying here and believe this is still a career airline (in private).
Now of course they’ll tell everybody to leave and look elsewhere because that’s the schtick right now. But look at their actions. EV, JA, RJ, RF, KS, just to name a few. Three of them are at all the negotiations. RF is technically #2 in the union and RJ is a trustee and in the know. They all have 30-35 years left of flying and they are staying put. They also have the most info on negotiations and what to expect from the next contract. Why would they all be committed to staying for 30+years?
They have the most info about negotiations and what management is willing to do. And they are choosing to stay and get us the industry contract we deserve. That should give us all some confidence in the long term opportunity at Allegiant.
04-11-2023, 09:14 AM
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We still have AR, RF, RJ, KS, JA, MC, that have between 20 and 30 years left before retirement and they all seem to believe that we will earn a great contract.
See you at the picket line
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