Margaritaville

I noticed something. The names of those praising the company and saying everyone else is lying seem to rotate. Some days it's Nate702. Some days it's J3Cub. We haven't seen Coehill in quite a while, but "suddenly" he's really active. Anyone still reading this thread (probably very few since very few pilots seriously want to work here) would be wise to use some context. It doesn't help that APC doesn't allow you to see a poster's full posting history any more.

All of these names have always been very pro company in all of their posts. Usually, their arguments come down to trite statements like "you're a liar/idiot" or some other personal attack. They are a person of low intelligence, very likely the same person with multiple accounts. Doubtfully actually management, because surprisingly, most of the people actually running allegiant are smarter than that. More likely a scared senior lifer with no other options, or golden handcuffs, that's terrified all these rabble rousers rocking the boat will ruin this great thing they have going. So they are going to go out of their way to promote this place and keep the pyramid scheme going. They are here to "prove" guys like me and Tom and KC135 and Rockford are just liars trying to hurt the company, and everything is hunky dory here. In fact it's telling that they have created almost one online personality for each of us.

Hey, if Coehill actually does talk to you, pm me his name. I'd love to know. Is he a recruiter? Sure, of course he wants to take the conversation private, because then nobody else can rebut the lies he'll tell you about how great it is to work here.

Then there's Greyhound89. That one is a smart cookie. Most likely an actual member of management here to troll, or a HarrisonFord (the company's union busting law firm) employee. The words they use and their sentence structure screams online MBA or law student. They definitely don't talk like a pilot. It's fun that they have quieted down since we all called them out for what they are. Pure management troll, despite their claims otherwise. Sleazy used car salesman tactics. Yeah, probably a lawyer.

So if you're thinking about working here, and have a private conversation with one of them, ask them how long they have worked here (maybe they'll actually be truthful). If it's 5+ years, they have a life you'll never have. Growth has stopped at this company, and even if it doesn't shrink, you'll never reach their level of seniority. You'll be moving up at the retirement rate of less than 50 pilots per year. They are selling you an ideal you'll never see. Even as an 8 ish year captain at this airline, I was middle of the pack in my base, on reserve several months out of the year, and involuntarily sent out TDY several times a year. I only saw that getting worse if the place shrinks, so I left for a legacy in my early 50s. No regrets.

What you'll really get here is maybe the base you want, but more likely not. You'll take home $2500 a month as a newhire on reserve, unable to work overtime. You'll be 2 leg commuting to some godforsaken place that likely only has service on Allegiant or RJs. You'll have 11 days off (reduced to 10 days 3 months out of the year) and your days off will be scattered single days. Maybe if you're lucky you could hold 2 blocks of 3 consecutive days off in a month instead of the contractually allowable 3 blocks of 2 days. You'll spend a day one each end commuting, so it's not likely you'll be going home. You'll also have to rent an apartment since most of allegiant's bases aren't the sort of places where crew member crash pads exist - nobody else has bases there. So there goes another $1500 a month. How are you going to live like that? THIS IS THE REALITY OF BEING AN ALLEGIANT NEWHIRE.

Sure, the seniors here will tell you how awesome their life is how they fly a big ass Airbus in the morning, then come home, boink the wife, go fishing, have dinner with the family, kiss the kids, then do it all over again tomorrow for $200,000 a year. You will not have this life, because these seniors here have 10-20 years left before retirement. They aren't getting out of that seat any time soon. They just need expendables under them to keep the pyramid from collapsing and making them have to go start over at a real job or get downgraded to reserve when it shrinks. I know, they're scared and they're lashing out.

Don't be fooled. So many have sent me private messages thanking me for warning them about this place. Many others have messaged me saying they wished they took my advice, but thankfully have gotten out to a real airline and realized how much better it is. Don't fall for the kool-aid and propaganda that the management trolls and scared lifers are selling here. You'll regret it. Go to another LCC, or even a regional (where they make a lot more money than allegiant (and have career advancement opportunities), then progress to a legacy. Don't waste your life hoping to someday be senior at a part time flying job.

You've been warned.

Margaritaville

This is certified 100% dead on balls accurate. (It's an industry term).

tom11011

Your petty bickering with this guy changes nothing. No industry standard contract no moving forward. They'll have to shut this airline down.

xiovelrahc

What margaritaville said is accurate.. anybody looking to come here right now should look elsewhere… camelcoehill **** 🤫 nobody should be considering this place right now… if you’re thinking I’ll get in now before the big contract payday comes you’re going to be miserable for a long long time… flying with all the great people here will get old when your suffering the abuse from the company with no seniority.

G4er

Exact same thing I read on APC before I came here. The guys/gals who waited for the new contract were the ones who were stuck for a long while. You never know in this industry. Waiting for a contract seems unwise to me, seniority is everything. I took the job and was going to try and move on right away but quickly realized I was home every night and the horrors I was promised on APC never materialized.

DwightSnute

We still get on this forum because fools like you try to convince unwitting pilots that G4 is the place to be. You’re either management or you’re a senior pilot. Either way, your experience at Allegiant in no way reflects what new hires will have to deal with. Your anecdotal stories about an FO being able to commute within 30 mins of landing are also the exception, not the rule. Why is the FO commuting when you bill G4 as the home every night airline? Throw in a god-awful schedule with some of the lowest pay in the industry. And if they get their base of choice? They’ll be eternally junior because it’s such a young pilot group. Then throw in some involuntary monthly-long TDYs, possibly across the country, with little hope for spending much time at home. Again though, you wouldn’t know any of this because you’re likely one of the lucky ones who got in at the right time.

So if I can save just one pilot from making a terrible choice with their career, it’s well worth the effort of still posting on this forum to counter you and the others’ BS.

Margaritaville

On reserve at allegiant, you can pick up open time on your single day off, or take yourself below 10 days off. You can pick up reserve shifts. 3.75 hours above guarantee, if you can get it, and if you want to have less than 10 days off. Good luck with that.

"Commuting is a personal choice". Cool story bro. I'll remind that to the guys who live in Florida and were promised Florida by you and the other recruiters, then get sent to Allentown or Flint. Yeah their choice. By choosing to work here. At the airline where you're "home" every night. Cool story about that one time you flew someone to their base. I'm sure that one time makes it every time in your mind.

Every base has hired? That's a truth stretch. People have upgraded too. Does that mean newhires could upgrade? Does every base currently have FO vacancies posted? Of course not. Stop lying.

After that, more tired personal attacks. Because that's all you've got.
Hey newhires, go work at allegiant so you can fly with this guy. How awesome would that be? The way he acts is pretty typical of the seniors there. He got his, and F you.

My "commute" is a couple hours by car down the coast. I'm a line holder. And I probably make more than you do with the premium trips. It's pretty rad. I also have travel benefits and can go anywhere in the world on my company's metal. I have a real retirement plan too. I'll upgrade in a year or two to 320 CA. But good luck at G4.

Be Realistic

There is no reason, none, to come on here and lie to people about how good it is here other than to protect your QOL by ensuring plenty of cannon fodder below you on the list.

There is only one person who disgusts me more than the pro-g4 bull****ers here, and that is TT. To wish a fellow pilot come here and waste their years where they could be accruing seniority elsewhere is beyond belief. I hope you, Nate, and co all end up on the receiving end of what the junior guys will get here.

So sad

trvsmrtn

There has to be trips in opentime to pick up. When I was on reserve, my days off were usually Tues, Wed, and Saturday. Wanna take a guess how many trips were in open time for those days? Zero

I was initially based in ABE. Wanna take a guess how many commuting options I had with my ****ty reserve schedule even when considering PHI and EWR? Zero. I wouldn’t have made it home at all if the senior guys hadn’t taken some of my RAPs.

Jim Rockford

This right here.