Contract negotiations
03-20-2023, 07:52 AM
#1591
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How would the negativity here compare to flying at Mesa for almost 5 years on their old payscale and heavy workload? How does it compare to flying part 135 with a 1-hour call out to get to the airport in the middle of the night to then work 12 to 14 hour duty days? Getting in the old FBO crew car at 2am to find your customers some food (Waffle House)? I guess some of us are gluttons for punishment but it's all relative to comparison. And I ask those questions genuinely, not sarcastically.
03-20-2023, 07:56 AM
#1592
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‘Bad” is a relative term.
Industry-low pay, grand canyon airlines-type work rules, and a shrinking airline. No new contract for years. If someone here is pm-ing folks telling them “it’s not that bad” - ask yourself if any other airline has people of questionable origin private messaging you to try and influence your decision.
Believe what you see. No pm-ing needed.
Industry-low pay, grand canyon airlines-type work rules, and a shrinking airline. No new contract for years. If someone here is pm-ing folks telling them “it’s not that bad” - ask yourself if any other airline has people of questionable origin private messaging you to try and influence your decision.
Believe what you see. No pm-ing needed.
03-20-2023, 08:27 AM
#1593
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03-20-2023, 03:06 PM
#1594
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For anyone who hasn’t experienced federal mediation, it will soon become apparent how slow & tedious the process is. Coupled with management quite content to live with slow shrinkage while enjoying rock-bottom pilot costs, 2025-2026 seems realistic. Expect it to run the full course with an impasse & possible self-help (& now stand by for all the geniuses to chime in with why the mediator will never “allow” this lol….)
03-20-2023, 03:58 PM
#1595
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How would the negativity here compare to flying at Mesa for almost 5 years on their old payscale and heavy workload? How does it compare to flying part 135 with a 1-hour call out to get to the airport in the middle of the night to then work 12 to 14 hour duty days? Getting in the old FBO crew car at 2am to find your customers some food (Waffle House)? I guess some of us are gluttons for punishment but it's all relative to comparison. And I ask those questions genuinely, not sarcastically.
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
03-20-2023, 04:18 PM
#1596
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It’s not that type of “bad” but do consider that at some bases you can expect to work 21 days of the month with every day being a 13.5 hour duty day and fly less that MMG. This is the cost of Home-Every-Night to consider. With 50% DH, inability to commute schedule/microbase outta training, the composite line system, involuntary TDYs, a bidding system that doesn’t honor seniority, microbase culture and the threats that come along with it, and realizing very quickly that you will take a long while to get off the bottom of the seniority list so you can fly 1000 hours in a year to break 6 figures and see home as a place you get to spend a few hours on a work day… I can go on and on.
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
Thanks, I'm excited to start! I'm going to grow out a mullet, get a pair of Pit Vipers and let the good times roll. Seeya soon bois.
03-20-2023, 06:53 PM
#1597
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It’s not that type of “bad” but do consider that at some bases you can expect to work 21 days of the month with every day being a 13.5 hour duty day and fly less that MMG. This is the cost of Home-Every-Night to consider. With 50% DH, inability to commute schedule/microbase outta training, the composite line system, involuntary TDYs, a bidding system that doesn’t honor seniority, microbase culture and the threats that come along with it, and realizing very quickly that you will take a long while to get off the bottom of the seniority list so you can fly 1000 hours in a year to break 6 figures and see home as a place you get to spend a few hours on a work day… I can go on and on.
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
03-20-2023, 07:27 PM
#1598
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How would the negativity here compare to flying at Mesa for almost 5 years on their old payscale and heavy workload? How does it compare to flying part 135 with a 1-hour call out to get to the airport in the middle of the night to then work 12 to 14 hour duty days? Getting in the old FBO crew car at 2am to find your customers some food (Waffle House)? I guess some of us are gluttons for punishment but it's all relative to comparison. And I ask those questions genuinely, not sarcastically.
It's hard to say exactly what you've got going on there with that 135 job, but it sounds to me like Allegiant would be an improvement, once you got based where you live. The negativity you see on the forum here is not representative of what you will see on the line, the pilots are aware that they make less than their peers at Legacy airlines of course, but most people are professional and friendly to fly with.
03-20-2023, 08:43 PM
#1599
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It’s not that type of “bad” but do consider that at some bases you can expect to work 21 days of the month with every day being a 13.5 hour duty day and fly less that MMG. This is the cost of Home-Every-Night to consider. With 50% DH, inability to commute schedule/microbase outta training, the composite line system, involuntary TDYs, a bidding system that doesn’t honor seniority, microbase culture and the threats that come along with it, and realizing very quickly that you will take a long while to get off the bottom of the seniority list so you can fly 1000 hours in a year to break 6 figures and see home as a place you get to spend a few hours on a work day… I can go on and on.
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
Well, the call of the siren comes quick. Allegiant isn’t a “bad” place by any means. You’re not throwing boxes, cleaning puke, or anything like that… but you will see maintenance tell you to disregard a ECAM over the phone claiming it’s a false message even though the system has a write up on it already and no one has come to look at the plane cause you just got it after your 30th crossbleed start in the plane. Or you may fly a plane that has been reported multiple times to not fully seal and has had two air returns and you go up the third time with it signed off by MX and the FA calls up and says “we can’t hear a thing back here cause the back door isn’t sealing and the passengers are getting scared!”
Anyways, good luck with your decision!
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