TangoIndiaMike1

don’t forget there are no crash pads in any of Allegiant’s bases so your paying at least $1,000 a month for a furnished apartment.

Coehill

The long term prospect for someone who wants to get out of a dead end 135 job and commute to day trips based in Indy. I would say is still worth it.
nobody bats an eye at UPS first year pay, because the long term perspective is there. If you decide to wait post contract, you probably missed your chance.

APM1216

Yeah good point. I think long term it would be worth it considering the QOL potential. Also my wife and I eventually want to live near Nashville out in the sticks.

Coehill

shoot me a pm and I’ll give you a call, there is lots of negativity on here that can be misleading

Squeakygreaser

The only problem with this plan is that IND probably won't have a vacancy for your class. Nashville might be a better seniority situation actually. If you don't get the base you want in training it takes six months at a minimum to get it. The tricky thing about Allegiant is that a lot of the bases don't have much movement Allentown and Flint stay junior, but otherwise people don't leave here if they have good seniority for the most part. The 50% point in IND is over 3 years, so your realistic likely scenario is six months to get it and then a couple years to get a line. The good news is being on reserve in IND is probably fine. 30 hours a month or so of almost all day trips. It's that first 6 months that's the tough part. Some months you can drop a bunch of trips to be home more, so your looking at maybe 50 hours x 57 an hour, if your picking up in a base you don't live in it will be a lot of time gone. I'm not trying to convince you not to come work here, just understand what it will probably mean. If you can get IND out of the gate it would be a huge difference.

APM1216

Hey good to know, thank you. I guess I need to think long term to make it work.

Be Realistic

The negativity on here is not misleading. It is 100% accurate. The ONLY ones who do not agree with the negative statements on here are:

1) Management posting as pilots
2) Top 25% who have everything you will never have and want a quick pay rise
3) Fools who think we are not worth the same as other pilots

The top 25% want two things in a contract. - 12 year CA pay over $300, and the company to fix high demand must work day, the only thing stopping them from having utopia. My biggest grip with the union is wasting most of the resources on the senior grievances, (and losing). 200% trips will mainly go to the senior 25% in base and seat because they are the ones who have those busy days off. And if they don't they whine like babies. Junior folks here are fed to the wolves like no other airline.

APM1216

How would the negativity here compare to flying at Mesa for almost 5 years on their old payscale and heavy workload? How does it compare to flying part 135 with a 1-hour call out to get to the airport in the middle of the night to then work 12 to 14 hour duty days? Getting in the old FBO crew car at 2am to find your customers some food (Waffle House)? I guess some of us are gluttons for punishment but it's all relative to comparison. And I ask those questions genuinely, not sarcastically.

Machaca

Clearly, this is wrong. Nothing on here is remotely 100% accurate, given your points are not even accurate across the board. While I'm not quite into your vaunted "top 25%", even a casual look at the top 25% reveals a great deal of difference within that group, particularly when dealing with SFB, IWA and LAS. People far senior to me are dealing with perma-reserve in those bases and QoL has taken a nose dive. Reserve rules are actually a high priority to most people here, the priority of ADD days being eliminated completely, as well as the must work day nonsense (AR is completely correct in trying to fix the stack/unstack issue as seniority needs to be honored).

Individuals being pragmatic/realistic about pay comparisons between the big 4 and us are not fools, they merely don't presume a level of entitlement/arrogance some like to present. Pay is probably the least contentious item, in terms of rates, but scheduling and the company's ability to abuse the pilot group to maintain "flexibility" while not maintaining a reasonable number of pilots will be the biggest issue. The pilots you vilify (some quite deserving) are not the voting bloc they once were (thankfully).

tailendcharlie

‘Bad” is a relative term.
Industry-low pay, grand canyon airlines-type work rules, and a shrinking airline. No new contract for years. If someone here is pm-ing folks telling them “it’s not that bad” - ask yourself if any other airline has people of questionable origin private messaging you to try and influence your decision.

Believe what you see. No pm-ing needed.