Originally Posted by rabbo

So it’s a safe bet there are no raises planned in the short or near term to bring that year 1 pay up?

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This person is obviously an upper management troll

Originally Posted by Alexander12

Stockholm syndrome appears to have hit a few G4 pilots.

Originally Posted by rabbo

So it’s a safe bet there are no raises planned in the short or near term to bring that year 1 pay up?

Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser

My prediction is December 2023. No 1st year raise outside a new contract will be considered by the Union at this stage of negotiations.

Originally Posted by tom11011

Keep in mind most pilots were wrong. I think we should take AR at his word its going to be into 2024 or 2025.

32% of those surveyed thought it would happen before end of last year. 28% believed before June 21st.

Originally Posted by SladeTin

MG has checked out of the negotiation process

Originally Posted by G4slumdod

Holy shnikies...Tracy is that you?

Do you all in the c suite decline your multi million dollar bonuses for the profitability of the company? Of course you don't. You'll still make money...not as much but allegiant isn't getting away with cheap pilot labor any more. G4 already can't grow as we lose more than we can hire..how does that get you any bonus?

. You bragged to us about how much money you all make...so now pay up or shut down. >51% of this pilot group would rather see g4 fail than work for discounted rates with trash work rules. Where else can you go and get paid less, deal with trash work rules, and have a flight attendant boss tell you that you should accept less for the good of other people at work at allegiant? We don't need delta +1. Delta -1 plus industry standard work rules and I'm sure you could get a deal done.

Originally Posted by Greyhound89

Reason with me here for a second. Why do we need the same contract as Delta? I truly do not understand this argument, especially in this hiring environment. We fly the same Airbus and soon to be 737's as Delta and that is where the similarities stop. When you were hired by Allegiant, did you happen to hit your head when they told you we're a ULCC? Delta is a premium global airline, we are a small, possibly one day a medium sized North American airline. Don't give me the BS about how I think I'm worth less than somebody at delta, that argument is meant to be had between 20 somethings. We have an entirely different model than them, one that does not necessitate half of their work rules. Our model has value to it and truly will succeed long term, that has been proven time and time again. If you truly want Delta pay, why don't you hurry up and leave while you can? I'm not sure if you fly the line or what, but the general consensus of guys and gals I talk to agree that Delta + anything is lunacy. If dollars are the most valuable thing to you, do the rest of us a favor and jump onto the bottom of the Delta seniority list.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

This person is obviously an upper management troll, a HarrisonFord troll, or a insider management pilot who has been sent here to lower expectations. In all my years of line flying, I've never seen such a lame and obvious attempt to undermine a union negotiating position. You all would be well advised to ignore this person and demand your union negotiate for Delta+1%. Because just like in 2016, you'll quickly be leapfrogged by everyone again then spend another 5-10 years as the lowest paid airline pilots in the USA.

Asking for industry + 1% has been "pattern bargaining" since the beginning of airline unions. For Allegiant Management to come out and try to sell this dog crap that Allegiant is just a little 'ol ULCC and doesn't deserve/can't afford to pay industry standard rates is ridiculous. Just a couple of years ago, before the current crop of management buffoons (Hi Tracy) began running this place into the ground, they were the most profitable airline in the USA, per capita. More profitable than even mighty Delta (per capita). Now lately, they have bought back stock to triage the plummeting stock price, and keep your billionaire majority owner and chairman of the board's nest egg intact (Hi Maury), after the last 3 years of mismanagement.

No, this sad but funny display here by the management trolls only shows how scared they are. They just saw what the Delta pilots got and are crapping themselves that they might have to pay up. Well guess what, that's the going rate now. Either you pay it or you don't have an airline. Pilot labor has never been more than 30% of total expenditures at any airline. You just raise ticket prices to recoup or you cut somewhere else (Executive Compensation). That's the price of doing business. If management continues down this path of trolling and slapping the pilot group in the face, their terrible reputation in the industry will be further damaged, and recruitment will continue to get worse. It's already to the point that the only people who will drop an app here are those who couldn't get hired anywhere else, have little experience, are foreign, of who have so little ambition that they won't leave their small midwest town. That's a hell of a small recruiting pool. Good luck. No airline has EVER successfully shrunk to profitability, btw.

No, Tracy and co, either you pay up or you shut up. You're at a critical juncture here. Either you find a way to pay market labor rates or you shut the place down. It's that simple. I know you think you're going to run out the clock, hoping for the next economic crash that always seems 6 months away, but even that isn't going to help you this time. The big 3 aren't going bankrupt and there won't be 50% pay cuts. That's what it would take for them to fall down to current allegiant compensation packages. They are all "too big to fail" now and the bk laws have been revised. You won't last that long anyhow the way you're hemorrhaging junior pilots. Even senior guys like me and MS are bailing out now. You don't have time. The only thing that will fix this is getting an industry standard contract.

Make good choices. Both management and the pilots both employed at allegiant or considering it. "When someone shows who who they truly are, believe them". Allegiant management has shown their true colors repeatedly, but like an abused spouse many of you keep going back for another beating. Because they love you... they didn't really mean it. Yeah.

Wake up.