Originally Posted by captnate702

AR you must be really feeding into your own hype. The makeup and mood lighting in your videos is clouding your judgment.

No way we get released by NMB or the mediator by demanding Delta or better pay and work rules. She was management at frontier and spirit. If AR demands that she’ll probably laugh at him. To get delta or better pay we would have to vote down at least one maybe two TAs before we might get released if our demands are delta or better pay and work rules…

It’s as if you and other novices think that the NMB is some monolith. We have to convince the mediator Eva Durham to get released and she spent her career at ULCCs. Good luck convincing her that we deserve delta or better pay hahaha

Good luck convincing the majority of pilots here that the only options are delta or better, or a strike. Alpa would get voted in here so fast and AR would be forced to fly the line and sit reserve. His salary would be cut in half and that 3m house he just built would be in foreclosure within six months. Needless to say, AR isn’t so naive to create his own demise.

Originally Posted by 310skying

You seem to misunderstand mediation, and arbitration. All Eva can do is declare an impasse, she can’t force us to meet in the middle or push either side in one direction or the other. If progress stops being made an impasse is declared and it goes to the full 3 person NMB. Mediation is non binding and a step in the process. Even the railroads got released from mediation into a cooling of period… it was the presidential board and congress that stoped their strike. The same won’t happen to us because we don’t have the same impact. Do a little more digging on to the whole section six process and understand the powers the mediator actually has. A strike is a very realistic probability assuming we can limp along with enough pilots to make it that far without a schedule collapse

Originally Posted by captnate702

You are proving my point: she declares an impasse. If the union is trying to rush to be released or is being unrealistic she will not declare an impasse. You are VASTLY underestimating the control and power a mediator has on the process. She cannot force the parties to do anything, but she can keep the union from engaging in self help for as long as she wants if she believes the union is not negotiating in good faith.

The fact that you think an impasse is when “progress is no longer being made” and then it’s off to the NMB for cooling off and then release is laughable. The mediator decides when the parties are at an impasse and I don’t believe AR and our culinary attorney will be as convincing and persuasive as jerrry glass, FH and the company’s hired guns.

Originally Posted by 310skying

for our purposes being stuck in mediation will achieve the same result as a strike. She can ice us all she wants but that’s the last thing the company wants or can handle. From the inside I can tell you our pilot pipeline can not sustain our current 4% growth schedule and the current level of attrition. We have already told investors that we have cleans up IROP cost that totaled over 130mill last year… if Eva ices us expect IROPs to top 200-300mill this year and stock to half itself after Q2 or Q3 earnings call.

Originally Posted by Jim Rockford

I’m happy for you but that to me would be a total waste of my time.

Originally Posted by Greyhound89

The flow of pilots won't stop, plenty of small town guys that will be thrilled to fly a bus or shiny new max. In fact, I see the opposite of stagnation happening but it comes with a dangerous caveat, we will have very junior FO's joining very junior captains.

We aren't Delta, we aren't United, we aren't American. Quite frankly, getting us a contract in the Alaska/ Jet Blue realm would be a home run for 2118. We all came here completely understanding what this company is, if you still think we're Delta maybe it's time to head over there. No before someone comes and jumps my throat for saying this and accusing me of managing expectations, relax. We deserve a great contact with pay scales and work rules that make us proud but we have to let the company grow. That benefits us all.

Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1

It's kind of sad that you wake up in the morning and tell yourself that you should be paid less to do the same, if not more amount work then your peers. The company can grow with mainline work rules and pay.

Originally Posted by tom11011

When they are ready to get serious, they'll let us know. In the mean time everyone else is hiring.

Originally Posted by G4slumdod

Just heard the audio of TT talking to the new hire class. Wish she had come into my class and told me that they can't pay comparable wages to pilots because we need to think about all the other employees. That way I could have walked out and not wasted 7 years here.

Originally Posted by G4slumdod

Just heard the audio of TT talking to the new hire class. Wish she had come into my class and told me that they can't pay comparable wages to pilots because we need to think about all the other employees. That way I could have walked out and not wasted 7 years here.