310skying

he was an Allentown LCA, commuting from CO. Old news, same with the APD. Like he said though lot will be leaving in the next 3 months

captnate702

Yea that’s old news. I thought it was a member of the NC, trustee, exco etc.

Greyhound89

The flow of pilots won't stop, plenty of small town guys that will be thrilled to fly a bus or shiny new max. In fact, I see the opposite of stagnation happening but it comes with a dangerous caveat, we will have very junior FO's joining very junior captains.

I've heard the same as you, exco is wrapped around the axle trying to figure out why the "wave" of attrition didn't come. They no longer plan on it and neither does the company, at this level, they'll be able to sufficiently staff us through the year.

I agree with the last statement, if we had a mass exodus from the union I would be alarmed, the fact that we've got a solid group of young guys there who are sticking around shows that something is coming soon and it's worth staying here for. Some of you know first hand that contracts appear out of thin air here, those of you who don't, ask a senior guy about the last one.

Willing to put money on your numbers? Going off your numbers, if hiring remains flat at 20 per month, we only have a net loss of 100 this year and that sets us right at 1006 pilots, 800 is hilarious. Does it help us 50% and above guys? No, but the bottom 50% could see some good movement.

The entire time I watched that video I was waiting for the "horrible news", fact of the matter is we had a very very generous fatigue program. We absolutely led the industry with it and we have nobody to thank for these changes besides our fellow pilots. There was a ton of abuse here, I know several guys who routinely call out fatigued for pretty frivolous reasons. Let's not forget every comment on the FB page stating something as mundane as a CBT "sounds fatiguing"

I'm with you Nate, this wasn't worth the scare at the start of the video. Yawn here as well, or is that my fatigue?

Should the union just start hinting at what goes on in every session? "Hey guys, here's the update, wink wink nudge nudge, TA by this date." You must be pretty new to how the IBT runs their show. The longer they can fan the flames the happier they are. They're tight lipped all the way to the vote. It won't be 2024, nor will it be 2025. What I have been hearing from very good sources makes me believe we have a chance of May and a better chance going into the summer. I would truly be shocked if we made it to Labor Day without a new contract. The company is already accounting for the cost of a new Pilot and FA contract by July, this was on the Q4 earnings call. They know they have to ink a deal to keep this place turning, they'll do it.

I wouldn't say Tracy is doing anything she hasn't always done. She's the peppy cheerleader that shows up to make you feel good. The video was interesting but she makes very good points that we have to understand no matter how hard it may be for some of you. We aren't Delta, we aren't United, we aren't American. Quite frankly, getting us a contract in the Alaska/ Jet Blue realm would be a home run for 2118. We all came here completely understanding what this company is, if you still think we're Delta maybe it's time to head over there. No before someone comes and jumps my throat for saying this and accusing me of managing expectations, relax. We deserve a great contact with pay scales and work rules that make us proud but we have to let the company grow. That benefits us all.




Additionally I have to remark on this, I never thought I'd be flying long enough to see the day someone brags about an 18 hour layover in the rust belt. I guess it isn't just the grey hair showing my age.

KC135

You probably need to reread my post again. I never said 800. I said 800 PLUS new hires. My whole point is there are close 20 new hires a month showing up but that could easily slow down to 10 or less. 57 leaving in 2 months is over 30% leaving annualized, which if that continues that is your mass exodus. Sure it will be partially offset by hiring but it's still an legit % leaving.

tom11011

Your post borders on insanity. We are not close. When the company starts to feel a little pain then we can get serious. Until then we keep waiting. We are going to get the pay of the big 3 if we are patient and work rule improvements, there’s no reason to cave. No matter how long it takes that’s how long it takes. If we bleed out another 300 pilots this year so be it, it’s part of the process.

Greyhound89

Insanity, isn't that comical. Do you really think the company isn't feeling pain already? We're not going to get the big 3 pay, that isn't going to happen. But feel free to ask your 2118 negotiating team if that's what they're asking for, because it isn't. You came to allegiant, I'd be willing to bet you came here understanding that we aren't one of the big 3, probably because you valued the model and the QOL it offers OR you came here because this was the only bidder. 50/50 shot.

Keep telling yourself that we're getting a contract that will compete with the big 3. At some point you have to realize, 3 years of waiting for an extra $15,000 does you a lot less good than the $100,000+ annually that you passed up in the process. I'm sure a simple compound interest calculator could help you piece together that puzzle.

tailendcharlie

Well now we know who the management puppets are here on apc.

Disgusting.

tom11011

I’m not sure which management person you are but you can just shut the company down. The pilots want what everyone else has. End of story.

310skying

This is what greyhound fails to understand… we are getting everything we want, including delta or better pay and work rules. If we don’t we’ll strike.

I can almost guarantee you the NMB will have no problem releasing us: its a low consequence effort and easy way show support of labor without destroying commerce like the rial strike would have.

there is no Allegiant without pilots, and there are no pilots without industry standard pay and work rules.

This is ARs ethos and there is no getting rid of AR or making a deal with anyone else for at least 4 years

captnate702

AR you must be really feeding into your own hype. The makeup and mood lighting in your videos is clouding your judgment.

No way we get released by NMB or the mediator by demanding Delta or better pay and work rules. She was management at frontier and spirit. If AR demands that she’ll probably laugh at him. To get delta or better pay we would have to vote down at least one maybe two TAs before we might get released if our demands are delta or better pay and work rules…

It’s as if you and other novices think that the NMB is some monolith. We have to convince the mediator Eva Durham to get released and she spent her career at ULCCs. Good luck convincing her that we deserve delta or better pay hahaha

Good luck convincing the majority of pilots here that the only options are delta or better, or a strike. Alpa would get voted in here so fast and AR would be forced to fly the line and sit reserve. His salary would be cut in half and that 3m house he just built would be in foreclosure within six months. Needless to say, AR isn’t so naive to create his own demise.