captnate702

Not trolling at all.

Just clarifying that if you are commuting from ORD that is at least 5 full days away from base. I am glad that trips like that have plenty of down time and rest, but for me 18+ hours in a hotel by myself in SJU or even EWR isn’t a positive if I’m doing it on a regular basis. Sure NYC or beaches are a great way to spend 6-7 hours but that would get old quickly imo. In my 20s and 30s I’d love it. Not so much anymore.

I tend to agree with Slo above. To me, those 18hrs in EWR or SJU are still work. I’m away from friends/family, can’t really go skiing, biking, golfing, etc. so the soft pay is nice but I have to spend 5 full days away from home to bank six hours of soft pay (at least that’s how I understood the post).

I’m glad it works for some people, it’s just not something that I would seek out or be interested in.

TangoIndiaMike1

You don't have to bid those days longer days. If you want shorter overnights you can bid for those. All three majors have day drips and 2 day trips too if that's your fancy. do one leg from ewr to sfo, sleep and come back the next day. you family will be there.
With how fast seniority is moving can bid days off for soccer games and have your 18 days off with your family at 90 hours credit.


You differently can go golfing, biking, fishing and swimming if you want on those overnights.

tailendcharlie

57 pilots have left so far this year; hiring isn’t keeping up. Pilot count shrinking at about a10% annual rate.

Machaca

Now we have the company weaponizing the Fatigue program to keep pilots from calling in fatigued...interesting contrast between the FA union response ("Hey, everyone! Get on board!) and ours.

KC135

Yep and I'm thinking that 10% will increase, the 57 attrition rate equates to 31% annualized. If the same attrition continues we will lose 342 this year, which will put the list down to 800 pilots by December plus whoever shows up to class. We somehow managed to hire 39 in 2 months, I can't imagine that will continue at the lowest paid 320/737 airline that is shrinking.

captnate702

Pilots will continue to come here for the type rating, foreign visas, military connection, lack of other offers, or because they live in PVU, ATW, ABE, etc. Attrition will continue but so will hiring. To only look at the pilots leaving without counting the pilots that are being hired and backfilling those positions doesn't make any sense.

From what i'm hearing, the union leaders are pretty disappointed and incredulous that so many pilots are staying. I understand it helps us to have sky high attrition, but i don't think that wave of attrition is coming and neither does the union.

Don't believe everything you hear, trust people's actions more than their words. we haven't had a single union rep leave and we have a VERY young group of union leaders. most have 30+ years left of flying before they retire and they are sticking it out. I think that fact more than anything the company spins/lies or the doomsaying from the union is what makes me cautiously optimistic that we are gonna get a good deal done and that maybe its not as far out as we are being led to believe.

captnate702

considering our fatigue program is as pilot friendly as possible, i'm not surprised management doesn't like it.

fatigue program i'm familiar with is self-induced vs management induced. currently, we have a no fault fatigue policy so if a pilot calls in fatigue they just get pulled and pay protected. i spoke with a pilot who called in fatigue a couple times because he had a young family and couldn't sleep at night with the kids. he was pulled and paid no questions asked. no sick bank being pulled. they just pulled and paid him. they didn't even ask why he was fatigued.

management has a lot of warts and incompetencies, no need for the union to grasp at straws with the fatigue policy. maybe the fatigue policy will be super anti pilot but i was shocked when i learned that the fatigue policy today doesn't even consider whether the fatigue was self induced vs management induced.

i understand AR needs something to fan the flames and keep playing the political games but i just find this one as a yawner. i guess its better than him talking about all the GRIEVANCES and his perfect arbitration record hahahahaha

TangoIndiaMike1

pfft. I bet it’s 2024-2025 before a new contract. From the verbiage in the all the union videos there’s no indication that the union leadership wants pilots to stay or go. I’d love to see more of a source of that information.

If anything the company is scrambling for pilots. When Tracy has to resort to lying to new hires to keep them in class or Allegiant is working pilots so hard that they had to change the fatigue program ( and status quo) to scare pilots to not call fatigued.

speaking of folks leaving, didn’t a lot of senior instructors and line checkairman leave? Some
upper management and leadership? They would know more about the inside happenings of the company vs the union who only sees grievances. Major red flags there.

KC135

You missed the part where I said plus whoever shows up to class. Hoping the same amount of new hires show up may or may not work out. Be a little more patient, the wait for class at some legacies is as long as 3-4 months. There are multiple union reps that are either waiting for class, have interviews or are actively applying. One has already left. As Tango pointed out we just had a senior APD leave for WN, CKA and senior management exit. I personally know 7 other CAs leaving or trying to leave including myself and I don’t know that many. Just wait a few more months and your theory about the people in the know are staying will lose its merit.

captnate702

Who’s the union rep that just left?