Contract negotiations
02-26-2023, 04:19 PM
#1472
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,186
Well said.
I'm here because I'm concerned that prospective pilots and newhires at Allegiant are being lied to and sold a fantasy that they will someday have the great life of home every night where you want to live, fly when and where you want, and take vacation when you want, for 1/4 of a mil a year that the super senior pilots here have and love to brag about.
This travel company is a pyramid scheme. You will only have that life if you got in on the ground floor 10-15 years ago. It's different from other airlines because with a young pilot group there are very few retirements, and the senior folks, who have it so good and are vocally selling this place here to keep the crumbling foundation of their pyramid intact, aren't leaving. Anyone hired today probably won't exceed 30% in the company in their career unless they were hired in their 20s and spend 30+ years here. There is practically zero growth potential here now. It's about to become America's most stagnant airline. You will spend many, many years on the bottom of the pyramid, working under the lowest pay and crappiest work rules in the industry.
The mods have told me they don't like my tone anymore, so I'll make this my last post on the topic.
I left Allegiant well over a year ago to work at a legacy airline with a Florida base not far from my Space Coast home. I have zero regrets. I'll be back to A320 CA in a year or two and make back every penny I lost by leaving and then some. I'll still have 10-ish years left too.
I hope anyone looking at this airline (travel company) reads this sometime in the future and seriously ponders it, not what the recruiters and scared seniors are saying.
Best of luck to you all.
I'm here because I'm concerned that prospective pilots and newhires at Allegiant are being lied to and sold a fantasy that they will someday have the great life of home every night where you want to live, fly when and where you want, and take vacation when you want, for 1/4 of a mil a year that the super senior pilots here have and love to brag about.
This travel company is a pyramid scheme. You will only have that life if you got in on the ground floor 10-15 years ago. It's different from other airlines because with a young pilot group there are very few retirements, and the senior folks, who have it so good and are vocally selling this place here to keep the crumbling foundation of their pyramid intact, aren't leaving. Anyone hired today probably won't exceed 30% in the company in their career unless they were hired in their 20s and spend 30+ years here. There is practically zero growth potential here now. It's about to become America's most stagnant airline. You will spend many, many years on the bottom of the pyramid, working under the lowest pay and crappiest work rules in the industry.
The mods have told me they don't like my tone anymore, so I'll make this my last post on the topic.
I left Allegiant well over a year ago to work at a legacy airline with a Florida base not far from my Space Coast home. I have zero regrets. I'll be back to A320 CA in a year or two and make back every penny I lost by leaving and then some. I'll still have 10-ish years left too.
I hope anyone looking at this airline (travel company) reads this sometime in the future and seriously ponders it, not what the recruiters and scared seniors are saying.
Best of luck to you all.
I can absolutely say, with 100% certainty, I have far better QOL commuting 45 mins to ORD 3 times a month and doing (the absolute HORROR) or 3-4 day trips. I would have left if G4 had a DSM base Day 1.
Ive refrained for the last 3ish years since I left, but to any prospective new hires considering G4. You seriously SERIOUSLY need to truly understand wtf hour getting involved with. Sadly, I don’t think many truly grasp the amount of utter trash you will encounter. I left (at that time) a dying Air Wisconsin. Make no mistake. I was treated FAR better and with FAR more respect at a regional than the almighty Major Airline that is Allegiant. 🤷🏻♂️
02-26-2023, 07:12 PM
#1474
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2021
Posts: 70
LMAO! Ironic coming from the tool that told me (born and raised DSM - always commuted my entire 12 year career - this is my home and always will be) that I was such an idiot to leave given the DSM base.
I can absolutely say, with 100% certainty, I have far better QOL commuting 45 mins to ORD 3 times a month and doing (the absolute HORROR) or 3-4 day trips. I would have left if G4 had a DSM base Day 1.
Ive refrained for the last 3ish years since I left, but to any prospective new hires considering G4. You seriously SERIOUSLY need to truly understand wtf hour getting involved with. Sadly, I don’t think many truly grasp the amount of utter trash you will encounter. I left (at that time) a dying Air Wisconsin. Make no mistake. I was treated FAR better and with FAR more respect at a regional than the almighty Major Airline that is Allegiant. 🤷🏻♂️
I can absolutely say, with 100% certainty, I have far better QOL commuting 45 mins to ORD 3 times a month and doing (the absolute HORROR) or 3-4 day trips. I would have left if G4 had a DSM base Day 1.
Ive refrained for the last 3ish years since I left, but to any prospective new hires considering G4. You seriously SERIOUSLY need to truly understand wtf hour getting involved with. Sadly, I don’t think many truly grasp the amount of utter trash you will encounter. I left (at that time) a dying Air Wisconsin. Make no mistake. I was treated FAR better and with FAR more respect at a regional than the almighty Major Airline that is Allegiant. 🤷🏻♂️
02-28-2023, 12:18 AM
#1477
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2021
Posts: 70
These guy are young, smart, have options and nlknow what the struggle to get anything that resembles industry standard. I wish anyone who leaves the best. They owe us nothing. It is telling though cause they got the inside knowledge. Time.will tell but there is no positive news right now.
03-01-2023, 06:44 AM
#1478
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 482
LMAO! Ironic coming from the tool that told me (born and raised DSM - always commuted my entire 12 year career - this is my home and always will be) that I was such an idiot to leave given the DSM base.
I can absolutely say, with 100% certainty, I have far better QOL commuting 45 mins to ORD 3 times a month and doing (the absolute HORROR) or 3-4 day trips. I would have left if G4 had a DSM base Day 1.
Ive refrained for the last 3ish years since I left, but to any prospective new hires considering G4. You seriously SERIOUSLY need to truly understand wtf hour getting involved with. Sadly, I don’t think many truly grasp the amount of utter trash you will encounter. I left (at that time) a dying Air Wisconsin. Make no mistake. I was treated FAR better and with FAR more respect at a regional than the almighty Major Airline that is Allegiant. 🤷🏻♂️
I can absolutely say, with 100% certainty, I have far better QOL commuting 45 mins to ORD 3 times a month and doing (the absolute HORROR) or 3-4 day trips. I would have left if G4 had a DSM base Day 1.
Ive refrained for the last 3ish years since I left, but to any prospective new hires considering G4. You seriously SERIOUSLY need to truly understand wtf hour getting involved with. Sadly, I don’t think many truly grasp the amount of utter trash you will encounter. I left (at that time) a dying Air Wisconsin. Make no mistake. I was treated FAR better and with FAR more respect at a regional than the almighty Major Airline that is Allegiant. 🤷🏻♂️
overnights at a major are nothing like at a regional too. 100 times better. Folks are scared of it because all the previous overnights being 8 hours, min rest, 5 legs a day and then run around saying overnights are bad. Once your at a major your getting 15 hours after 2 legs on the beach. Then the next day 18 hours in Alaska looking at glacier. Finally do a Hawaii overnight at 30 hours then come home. 2 legs a day maybe 3. The bigger the plane the fewer legs you fly.
03-01-2023, 07:46 AM
#1479
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Well said.
I'm here because I'm concerned that prospective pilots and newhires at Allegiant are being lied to and sold a fantasy that they will someday have the great life of home every night where you want to live, fly when and where you want, and take vacation when you want, for 1/4 of a mil a year that the super senior pilots here have and love to brag about.
This travel company is a pyramid scheme. You will only have that life if you got in on the ground floor 10-15 years ago. It's different from other airlines because with a young pilot group there are very few retirements, and the senior folks, who have it so good and are vocally selling this place here to keep the crumbling foundation of their pyramid intact, aren't leaving. Anyone hired today probably won't exceed 30% in the company in their career unless they were hired in their 20s and spend 30+ years here. There is practically zero growth potential here now. It's about to become America's most stagnant airline. You will spend many, many years on the bottom of the pyramid, working under the lowest pay and crappiest work rules in the industry.
The mods have told me they don't like my tone anymore, so I'll make this my last post on the topic.
I left Allegiant well over a year ago to work at a legacy airline with a Florida base not far from my Space Coast home. I have zero regrets. I'll be back to A320 CA in a year or two and make back every penny I lost by leaving and then some. I'll still have 10-ish years left too.
I hope anyone looking at this airline (travel company) reads this sometime in the future and seriously ponders it, not what the recruiters and scared seniors are saying.
Best of luck to you all.
I'm here because I'm concerned that prospective pilots and newhires at Allegiant are being lied to and sold a fantasy that they will someday have the great life of home every night where you want to live, fly when and where you want, and take vacation when you want, for 1/4 of a mil a year that the super senior pilots here have and love to brag about.
This travel company is a pyramid scheme. You will only have that life if you got in on the ground floor 10-15 years ago. It's different from other airlines because with a young pilot group there are very few retirements, and the senior folks, who have it so good and are vocally selling this place here to keep the crumbling foundation of their pyramid intact, aren't leaving. Anyone hired today probably won't exceed 30% in the company in their career unless they were hired in their 20s and spend 30+ years here. There is practically zero growth potential here now. It's about to become America's most stagnant airline. You will spend many, many years on the bottom of the pyramid, working under the lowest pay and crappiest work rules in the industry.
The mods have told me they don't like my tone anymore, so I'll make this my last post on the topic.
I left Allegiant well over a year ago to work at a legacy airline with a Florida base not far from my Space Coast home. I have zero regrets. I'll be back to A320 CA in a year or two and make back every penny I lost by leaving and then some. I'll still have 10-ish years left too.
I hope anyone looking at this airline (travel company) reads this sometime in the future and seriously ponders it, not what the recruiters and scared seniors are saying.
Best of luck to you all.
We can only speculate why the company doesn't want to offer industry standard and plans to drag this out as long as possible, which equates to many more years but for the sake of my friends and colleagues staying I hope something changes and management does the right thing for once.
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