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Old 01-15-2023, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Captainbfv
You brag as if your future is secure. The only thing you for sure will have is a seniority number to hopefully come back to if/when you get furloughed on the next downturn. That's what most of us have/will have being at a legacy on the next economic downturn. Which is coming. Just a matter of time.
I fully accepted the possibility of furlough from the legacy job. Especially since I have already been furloughed three times in my career including allegiant. Im a minimum of two years away from feeling generally safe from furlough. But that’s just a feeling. Truth is we are all at risk it’s just a measure of how much.

I also did not intend to brag. My intent is to be motivational and encouraging.
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Old 01-15-2023, 08:20 AM
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That’s what you keep telling yourself for turning down $400k year 2 pay. We’ve never had mass retirements like this during our lifetimes. There won’t be legacy furloughs, worst case hiring dries up for a bit.
Where do you work?
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Old 01-15-2023, 10:01 AM
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Can't be proven. Just don't pick them up if you think it will help.

Ask anyone who’s been at NK since 2018 how wrong you are.
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Old 01-15-2023, 10:23 AM
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Not if its a personal decision. YOU have to decide not to.
Wrong. The courts just order the union to hammer you or they get fined.

The district court properly determined that Delta's pilots were engaged in an unlawful no-overtime campaign.   However, the district court improperly interpreted the gravity and depth of ALPA's duty under the RLA to prevent such an unlawful job action.   Because there has been no showing that ALPA lacks control over the pilots, reason dictates that ALPA has not done enough to fulfill its statutorily mandated duty to “maintain” the agreement and avoid an “interruption to commerce.”   Upon remand, the district court shall issue appropriate injunctive relief directing ALPA to take further steps to end the pilots' no-overtime campaign.   Further steps may include issuing directives as drafted by the court and threatening (or imposing) union sanctions for violations, as permitted by ALPA's constitution.25  If ALPA complies with the court's orders and the no-overtime campaign continues, Delta may return to the district court for injunctive relief against individual pilots, as discussed supra Part III.C.

REVERSED and REMANDED, with instructions.

I concur in the determination that under the law ALPA has an affirmative duty to exert every reasonable effort to prevent or stop the unilateral unlawful activity of its members and that it has not fulfilled that duty.   Accordingly, I agree that this case should be remanded for the entry of an appropriate injunction requiring ALPA to take all reasonable steps to do so.   However, any discussion of possible actions based on the possibility that ALPA cannot control its membership is premature.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-...t/1362939.html

Thats why the moderators put in the recent caution about even discussing such things.
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Can't be proven. Just don't pick them up if you think it will help.
SMH, Where you drunk when you posted this?
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Old 01-15-2023, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
I fully accepted the possibility of furlough from the legacy job. Especially since I have already been furloughed three times in my career including allegiant. Im a minimum of two years away from feeling generally safe from furlough. But that’s just a feeling. Truth is we are all at risk it’s just a measure of how much.

I also did not intend to brag. My intent is to be motivational and encouraging.
Historically once you hit 80% seniority you’re safe. After that your only worry should realistically be a downgrade. If you got in a year ago I’d imagine you’re likely close to being safe already.
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Old 01-15-2023, 05:12 PM
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SMH, Where you drunk when you posted this?
So if I’ve never picked up overtime before and I continue to not pick it up during negotiations then what smart guy?
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Old 01-15-2023, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
So if I’ve never picked up overtime before and I continue to not pick it up during negotiations then what smart guy?
Then nothing happens. don't go to public forums and say crap like this.
The error in your logic and where you messed up is here.
Do whatever you want but don't go online and say
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Can't be proven. Just don't pick them up if you think it will help.
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Old 01-15-2023, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KC135
That’s what you keep telling yourself for turning down $400k year 2 pay. We’ve never had mass retirements like this during our lifetimes. There won’t be legacy furloughs, worst case hiring dries up for a bit.
We've all had our own experiences. To the point that we've learned not to make plans on "possible" income. I always tell people to whom I give advice... "Base your decision on min guarantee" and nothing else. I'm not saying some might make 400K on second year pay. But at what cost? If you're making that kind of money either you're really senior and work the system well enough to were you don't give up much QOL or you're killing yourself for it. If you really want to see the direction our industry is going look at the policies direction beind dealt at the top. Our industry is on the fast track of Europe. How many "legacies" are left in Europe? How many ULCCs are thriving in Europe?

We have been fortunae that the American people still spend more than most. Hopefully things return to "normal", but with the green push and golbalist push, I expect for things to "shrink" through mergers and consolidation. When? Only a matter of time. Regardless of where you go or stay, it's a roll of the dice my friend. If only things were as simple and as "long term" as some of y'all think. I just take it one day at a time, as hard as it is sometimes to do so.
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Old 01-15-2023, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
I fully accepted the possibility of furlough from the legacy job. Especially since I have already been furloughed three times in my career including allegiant. Im a minimum of two years away from feeling generally safe from furlough. But that’s just a feeling. Truth is we are all at risk it’s just a measure of how much.

I also did not intend to brag. My intent is to be motivational and encouraging.
Roger that. Appreciate your boldness and honesty. We do what we can with the information we have at that point in time. I wasn't furlough from G4, but like you I've seen my fair share of furloughs and layoff 4+ times.I hope that many of you that went to greener pastures don't have to deal with that ********t ever again. What this management did wasn't unforgiveable, bc we can forgive anything if we choose to forgive. But it is unforgetable while they continue to be the same. Glad you're in a beter place. I pray it last till the day water cannons announce your departure from the industry untouched, with dignity and pride.
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