TangoIndiaMike1

it’s also a 500 page contract vs 195. Specific verbiage is important or it will be abused by management.

Jim Rockford

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter if this mediator is fair or not. It doesn't even matter much what the pilots on the property wants. If MG and company can't get a competitive contract over then how will he get new butts in seats?

rdneckpilot

nah. They had to work hard for the contract. Hard to say which ceo hates pilots more between delta and allegiant. Easy to see which union leadership has its stuff together. But the delta pilot group sets a high bar. They figured out what works and it’s not *****ing at fellow pilots about premium.

It also helps when the pilot group knows what managements goals are for the company. In the case of delta they have clear goals and open strategy for achieving those goals. Increasing market share and an expanding airline are part of the plan. I think the biggest hurdle to effectively negotiating with MG is knowing what he’s actually set as a goal. No one really knows besides MG. I think he’s perfectly happy shrinking the airline to a size that’s sustainable under its current contract but that’s just a guess. And any theory otherwise is equally a guess.

tom11011

He can do whatever the hell he wants, its meaningless to me. I simply want what everyone else has or will have. If that can't happen then Allegiant will simply have to close its doors or sell.

rdneckpilot

you should leave. You’ll get what everyone else has the day you start indoc.

I’ll be one year into a legacy in a couple weeks. Allegiant was not a bad job. Don’t miss it at all though…

Captainbfv

You brag as if your future is secure. The only thing you for sure will have is a seniority number to hopefully come back to if/when you get furloughed on the next downturn. That's what most of us have/will have being at a legacy on the next economic downturn. Which is coming. Just a matter of time.

CRJdriver2017

Are any of us safe really? Legacy or not?

KC135

That’s what you keep telling yourself for turning down $400k year 2 pay. We’ve never had mass retirements like this during our lifetimes. There won’t be legacy furloughs, worst case hiring dries up for a bit.

tailendcharlie

Just remember Allegiant has 50 possibly 100 brand-new airplanes coming that carry a payment due every month. No more paid-for fleet park ‘em and laugh at the legacies during the next oil crisis/recession; Allegiant will be in the same boat.

KC135

Good point. People also forget quickly what happened during the worst sudden pax demand drop-off in aviation history. G4 furloughed out of union busting spite while legacy offered big early retirement packages and purple/brown were maxing out hiring. If there is any excuse to furlough again G4 would probably be the first and maybe only again.