Contract negotiations
01-09-2023, 05:53 PM
#1151
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They've made it clear the medium term plan is to hire restricted ATP's, flight school kids, and foreign pilots. By the time they realize this won't work, another year will have gone by.
There isn't any contract coming this year, the timeline is pretty much set in stone - the union is not going to negotiate until the mediator is involved, that will take several months and usually is only 2-3 days per month. A very slow process, with lots of ego and bad blood between both parties.
The best case scenario at this point is the company gets bought, and the toxic management team is eliminated. Allegiant is past the point of no return, the company is already on its way to irrelevance and the pilot group is taking a big risk sticking around to see what the ending will be.
There isn't any contract coming this year, the timeline is pretty much set in stone - the union is not going to negotiate until the mediator is involved, that will take several months and usually is only 2-3 days per month. A very slow process, with lots of ego and bad blood between both parties.
The best case scenario at this point is the company gets bought, and the toxic management team is eliminated. Allegiant is past the point of no return, the company is already on its way to irrelevance and the pilot group is taking a big risk sticking around to see what the ending will be.
01-10-2023, 05:30 AM
#1152
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Position: A320 FO
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They've made it clear the medium term plan is to hire restricted ATP's, flight school kids, and foreign pilots. By the time they realize this won't work, another year will have gone by.
There isn't any contract coming this year, the timeline is pretty much set in stone - the union is not going to negotiate until the mediator is involved, that will take several months and usually is only 2-3 days per month. A very slow process, with lots of ego and bad blood between both parties.
The best case scenario at this point is the company gets bought, and the toxic management team is eliminated. Allegiant is past the point of no return, the company is already on its way to irrelevance and the pilot group is taking a big risk sticking around to see what the ending will be.
There isn't any contract coming this year, the timeline is pretty much set in stone - the union is not going to negotiate until the mediator is involved, that will take several months and usually is only 2-3 days per month. A very slow process, with lots of ego and bad blood between both parties.
The best case scenario at this point is the company gets bought, and the toxic management team is eliminated. Allegiant is past the point of no return, the company is already on its way to irrelevance and the pilot group is taking a big risk sticking around to see what the ending will be.
01-10-2023, 08:16 AM
#1153
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Working at JetBlue or Frontier looks good on Instagram etc. Layovers in fun cities flying brand new shiny jets. Working at Allegiant, that Flint or Provo base and 20 year old jet makes it hard to flex. Those ATP guys probably won't even stay around 1 year before they bail.
01-11-2023, 09:19 AM
#1154
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Position: A320 CA
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How do y’all think Spirit voting in their new rates will affect us? It won’t help. Hopefully the mediator and management realize the unique situation Spirit is in and don’t think we are anchored to the yellow bus.
01-11-2023, 09:28 AM
#1155
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Don't look at just rates, look at total compensation.
01-11-2023, 09:46 AM
#1156
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Position: A320 CA
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P.S. We voted in industry standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.
01-11-2023, 12:13 PM
#1159
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Position: Captain for Skyhawks
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Spirit did that 5 years ago when the union shot down their final proposal before we got put on ice. They also published it openly for all employees to see. Ramp, gate, FA's, etc. Hoping to pit everyone against us by exposing just how much money our greedy pilots were turning down.
P.S. We voted in industry standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.
P.S. We voted in industry standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.
01-11-2023, 01:12 PM
#1160
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Position: A320 CA
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Spirit did that 5 years ago when the union shot down their final proposal before we got put on ice. They also published it openly for all employees to see. Ramp, gate, FA's, etc. Hoping to pit everyone against us by exposing just how much money our greedy pilots were turning down.
P.S. We voted in industry SUB-standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.
P.S. We voted in industry SUB-standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.
This is what I meant to say. Substandard pay in 2018, Substandard pay voted in yesterday!
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