Contract negotiations
01-06-2023, 11:21 AM
#1102
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3) is a legitimate complaint, it’s embarrassing that Urban has never negotiated anything covered by the RLA before. It’s the blind leading the blind. And I don’t think AR involves the National at all. He fired those guys.
Our local is absolutely run like a small time mob boss instead of a professional entity. It’s one king at the top and filled with underlings and “yes-men.” Nobody even tries to deny that.
Our local is absolutely run like a small time mob boss instead of a professional entity. It’s one king at the top and filled with underlings and “yes-men.” Nobody even tries to deny that.
is AR negotiating for Allegiant pilots or for AR’s legacy so that he can get a cush job at teamsters National when he ‘knocks it out of the park?’ I’m a little concerned at this point it’s the AR show.
01-06-2023, 11:41 AM
#1103
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Well looks like N1Sync hit a nerve of someone on the negotiating committee.
I always love the canned response "Well if you don't like it recall the EXCO". Because you know that's hard to do and you can hide behind it.
You don't need to recall the EXCO to change committee members, but it's always an option if the EXCO doesn't respond to the demands of the pilot group. And I agree that the time has come for Andrew to stop putting his buddies and key supporters in these key positions, despite them being massively unqualified to hold them. Andrew needs to open it up to applications from the pilot group and select those with the experience to get it done.
The current makeup of the NC is just more of his crony politics. He runs it like a mob boss or a Chicago mayor. Which is why the allegiant pilots are where they are right now.
I always love the canned response "Well if you don't like it recall the EXCO". Because you know that's hard to do and you can hide behind it.
You don't need to recall the EXCO to change committee members, but it's always an option if the EXCO doesn't respond to the demands of the pilot group. And I agree that the time has come for Andrew to stop putting his buddies and key supporters in these key positions, despite them being massively unqualified to hold them. Andrew needs to open it up to applications from the pilot group and select those with the experience to get it done.
The current makeup of the NC is just more of his crony politics. He runs it like a mob boss or a Chicago mayor. Which is why the allegiant pilots are where they are right now.
01-06-2023, 11:44 AM
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you clearly don’t know our bylaws, only the eboard can recall the Exco. You also aren’t familiar with the team, it’s a loyalty and favorites club. I’m not saying they haven’t tried hard but it’s apparent they are out of their league and too proud to call in the help they need and the help we have paid for and deserve.
01-06-2023, 11:45 AM
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01-06-2023, 12:07 PM
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Ok so Eboard. Point still valid. I do know the team some of them for years. Try harder? in what way. The only one slowing things down is Maury himself. Deal will not get done until he understands he has to offer industry standard. Anything less and we are at the same place as a company not able to recruit and retain pilots.
Do you think it’s a good idea to cut your own hair, represent yourself in court, etc? That’s effectively what we’ve been doing and we’re stuck in the mud. Urban was a very poor choice too, why not seek out the same experts that other airlines use? I think we need to change course, open the war chest, and fire the cannons. Until then we are lost at sea.
01-06-2023, 12:31 PM
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AR is not stopping negotiations, he never said that was his intention. AR is only going to negotiate during Scheduled session set out by the NMB with a Mediator present. You seem to be very plugged in to MG, SS, and GA’s world, but it was MG who made the misstep this time. AR isn’t going to **** off the NMB, he’s just going to let them be in charge of the schedule and let the company hang out to dry while they wait.
01-06-2023, 12:39 PM
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For anyone who thinks take the offer so we can get the pay rates who cares about work rules….. enjoy your 16 PCH 4-day trips, when it turns out the 737’s need to do overnights to pay for themselves.
01-06-2023, 12:49 PM
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Do you think it’s a good idea to cut your own hair, represent yourself in court, etc? That’s effectively what we’ve been doing and we’re stuck in the mud. Urban was a very poor choice too, why not seek out the same experts that other airlines use? I think we need to change course, open the war chest, and fire the cannons. Until then we are lost at sea.
01-06-2023, 12:53 PM
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3) is a legitimate complaint, it’s embarrassing that Urban has never negotiated anything covered by the RLA before. It’s the blind leading the blind. And I don’t think AR involves the National at all. He fired those guys.
Our local is absolutely run like a small time mob boss instead of a professional entity. It’s one king at the top and filled with underlings and “yes-men.” Nobody even tries to deny that.
Our local is absolutely run like a small time mob boss instead of a professional entity. It’s one king at the top and filled with underlings and “yes-men.” Nobody even tries to deny that.
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national is still involved, providing resources, costing and much more.
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