Contract negotiations
12-23-2022, 10:41 AM
#1021
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 566
Bold move jumping right into the conversation without having even started yet. I like the tenacity, I hope we get the chance to fly together in the near future.
The unfortunate thing with allegiant is people with opinions like your own are somewhat reluctant to publicly speak up. This company er, pilot group, for whatever god forsaken reason, loves to eat it’s own. For a group that preaches unity, they sure do squash anything that doesn’t directly align with AR’s weekly mix of koolaid. Any thoughts outside of their “efforts” are quickly going to warn you the label of “management troll”.
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
The unfortunate thing with allegiant is people with opinions like your own are somewhat reluctant to publicly speak up. This company er, pilot group, for whatever god forsaken reason, loves to eat it’s own. For a group that preaches unity, they sure do squash anything that doesn’t directly align with AR’s weekly mix of koolaid. Any thoughts outside of their “efforts” are quickly going to warn you the label of “management troll”.
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
12-23-2022, 10:44 AM
#1022
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
12-23-2022, 11:06 AM
#1023
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A-320
Posts: 175
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
Now, that aside, I think your observation is spot on but with a different take on it. AR is the only thing standing between us and another crappy contract that MG wants us to vote on and that will probably pass because we have some super-sellouts here.
So I for one am glad that he is standing between us and that terrible option.
12-23-2022, 12:35 PM
#1024
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,013
Bold move jumping right into the conversation without having even started yet. I like the tenacity, I hope we get the chance to fly together in the near future.
The unfortunate thing with allegiant is people with opinions like your own are somewhat reluctant to publicly speak up. This company er, pilot group, for whatever god forsaken reason, loves to eat it’s own. For a group that preaches unity, they sure do squash anything that doesn’t directly align with AR’s weekly mix of koolaid. Any thoughts outside of their “efforts” are quickly going to warn you the label of “management troll”.
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
The unfortunate thing with allegiant is people with opinions like your own are somewhat reluctant to publicly speak up. This company er, pilot group, for whatever god forsaken reason, loves to eat it’s own. For a group that preaches unity, they sure do squash anything that doesn’t directly align with AR’s weekly mix of koolaid. Any thoughts outside of their “efforts” are quickly going to warn you the label of “management troll”.
Here’s the reality of the situation, AR is realistically what stands between us and a new contract. Now I’m going to get jumped all over for this, but hear me out. What gain does AR have by signing a new contract tomorrow? He’s pay protected AND paid by the union. He financially benefits more than anyone by sitting in negotiations as long as he can. I think if by this afternoon we do not hear from him that we will have something out for a vote by next month, it’s a clear indication he’s the sole stoppage. He’s chosen his hill to die on and it’s at our expense.
12-23-2022, 01:18 PM
#1025
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 479
12-23-2022, 01:20 PM
#1026
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,170
this and we’re already working far harder than other pilots on those day trips. 2-4 legs (versus a single transcon), constant mx and other operational issues here that simply do not exist at other airlines (eg uncontrolled airports, circle to land in the mountains), etc. anything less than other narrow body operators in all areas of the contract is a non starter. Not to mention higher paying widebody rates are not an option here and our upgrade times are longer.
12-23-2022, 01:51 PM
#1027
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 655
Don't forget the fact that Allegiant captains are also expected to do everyone else's job. We are basically on our own out there with very little help or oversight. We are the ones who have to deal with and coordinate when the poop hits the fan. That doesn't happen at the legacies. You have whole teams of competent people who basically take care of everything for you. You literally just show up and fly and if there's a problem you let the experts deal with it. At allegiant you have to coordinate maintenance, crew service, ops, your crew, dispatch. Much higher workload.
12-23-2022, 02:07 PM
#1028
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Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 76
Bottom line: many (if not the majority) are NOT willing to sacrifice pay in favor of being home every night. And there are plenty of pilots who are not home every night even with our current model. As has been pointed out multiple times, the fact that we don’t do overnights is for the company’s benefit, not ours, and they will continue to utilize that model as long as it suits them. Pay will be dictated by supply and demand, and in order to get pilots, our pay needs to be in-line with any other Airbus operators…if not better.
This constant under-selling and stating “I would take X over Y or Z” on forums like this is detrimental to our cause.
12-23-2022, 02:39 PM
#1029
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,013
Im talking about his general unhappiness with AR. How would someone else be different or do different. In my opinion I think all that is being done can’t be done better given this management group and their lack of moral compass.
12-23-2022, 03:44 PM
#1030
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 49
Don't forget the fact that Allegiant captains are also expected to do everyone else's job. We are basically on our own out there with very little help or oversight. We are the ones who have to deal with and coordinate when the poop hits the fan. That doesn't happen at the legacies. You have whole teams of competent people who basically take care of everything for you. You literally just show up and fly and if there's a problem you let the experts deal with it. At allegiant you have to coordinate maintenance, crew service, ops, your crew, dispatch. Much higher workload.
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