A220s?
10-19-2021, 06:19 AM
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A220s?
From the Breeze gossip pages:
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Rumor is the 220 is being put on the back burner for now. FAA won’t allow breeze to add it to the ops specs. Allegiant is in talks with airbus and will probably take over the breeze 220’s for now, kinda like JB did back in 2020. Breeze is going to be an east coast regional without further expansion for the foreseeable future.
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What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
10-19-2021, 06:57 AM
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From the Breeze gossip pages:
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
10-19-2021, 07:10 AM
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It says "non-narrowbody". What if they try to define it as a "small narrow" like AAL and CAL. We all know how they love to creatively interpret things.
10-19-2021, 08:20 AM
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From the Breeze gossip pages:
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Assuming that we are talking about the 220-300, max seating is 160. If a deal could be made, it would replace the 319 for substantially less fuel burn.
It would be a hard argument to make to try a B-scale, since it is basically an MD80.
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10-19-2021, 08:23 AM
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From the Breeze gossip pages:
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
What I cannot understand is why we would further complicate our operation with a second fleet type??? We can barely run the operation with a single fleet, adding in a second fleet type would be a cluster bleep in my opinion. Also, pre-pandemic the trumpet on every call was the single fleet type was going to create monster operating margins. What has changed? Perhaps we just can't acquire the used 320s we need to effectuate our growth plans? just giving my two cents.
10-19-2021, 08:32 AM
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I think our interest in the 220 would be the same as Breeze's initial interest: it opens up more city pairings and the possibility of longer-haul type routes. With a 220 you could make longer, thinner routes actually profitable (think PVU-PIE, etc.). The CASM is incredible, even with a smaller configuration.
What I cannot understand is why we would further complicate our operation with a second fleet type??? We can barely run the operation with a single fleet, adding in a second fleet type would be a cluster bleep in my opinion. Also, pre-pandemic the trumpet on every call was the single fleet type was going to create monster operating margins. What has changed? Perhaps we just can't acquire the used 320s we need to effectuate our growth plans? just giving my two cents.
What I cannot understand is why we would further complicate our operation with a second fleet type??? We can barely run the operation with a single fleet, adding in a second fleet type would be a cluster bleep in my opinion. Also, pre-pandemic the trumpet on every call was the single fleet type was going to create monster operating margins. What has changed? Perhaps we just can't acquire the used 320s we need to effectuate our growth plans? just giving my two cents.
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10-19-2021, 08:37 AM
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Assuming that we are talking about the 220-300, max seating is 160. If a deal could be made, it would replace the 319 for substantially less fuel burn.
It would be a hard argument to make to try a B-scale, since it is basically an MD80.
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It would be a hard argument to make to try a B-scale, since it is basically an MD80.
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10-19-2021, 08:41 AM
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I’m sure they would only take over this order at a deep discount which would give you a brand new bird for only slightly more than a used 319. Company has recently picked up quite a few lemons that have been expensive to maintain and have mx cancelled a lot of revenue. Not only would this add to reliability but you also help slow down a competitor.
10-19-2021, 09:09 AM
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What I cannot understand is why we would further complicate our operation with a second fleet type??? We can barely run the operation with a single fleet, adding in a second fleet type would be a cluster bleep in my opinion. Also, pre-pandemic the trumpet on every call was the single fleet type was going to create monster operating margins. What has changed? Perhaps we just can't acquire the used 320s we need to effectuate our growth plans? just giving my two cents.
What I've heard is that they have had a hard time finding airworthy 320s with CFM engines, and have hit the bottom of the barrel at the price point they are willing to pay. There's only so many Airbi parked in the jungle you know.
I’m sure they would only take over this order at a deep discount which would give you a brand new bird for only slightly more than a used 319. Company has recently picked up quite a few lemons that have been expensive to maintain and have mx cancelled a lot of revenue. Not only would this add to reliability but you also help slow down a competitor.
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