A220s?
10-19-2021, 03:35 PM
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Getting brand new planes would imply high utilization, including overnights, RONs, and international flying. None of those things are remotely in the core competencies of Allegiant. None of the crew scheduling, tail routing, mx, website booking, etc seems setup for this. Likely it would require migrating to a real GDS system like Sabre or Amadeus, which would take months and millions of dollars.
Obviously a few of the A320s were new builds but they are strategically moved around the system and utilized well, but there’s only so much peak flying to cover and the A220 would represent a pretty large change in strategy.
Obviously a few of the A320s were new builds but they are strategically moved around the system and utilized well, but there’s only so much peak flying to cover and the A220 would represent a pretty large change in strategy.
10-19-2021, 03:41 PM
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From the Breeze gossip pages:
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
Apparently Moxy Management is saying this. Maybe there really is more to this rumor than some new hires with keychains.
What I'm trying to figure out is why our management wants it. Does the A220 have a high density configuration? What's the most seats you can get in that thing? Other than fuel burn, what's the attraction to it?
They thought the 319 would be great, but now they are moving away from it because it carries less revenue, and burns basically the same fuel. Is the 220 going to be a 319 replacement?
I hope our union insists on A320 pay for the 220. Now is a good time to let our reps know we won't accept a B scale for a slightly smaller jet. Maury would love that. We'd see most of the 320s go away very quickly.
The first 16 A220’s are already fully paid for and the remaining 44 of the original 60 have had all of their pre delivery payments made.
The first 6 are already in various stages of construction with the third getting ready for paint in the next few weeks. Official unveiling is in one week… keep dreaming, but it’s not happening.
10-20-2021, 05:57 AM
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no, Breeze management isn’t saying anything of the sort… the only one saying it is you and when someone trolls you, by posting it’s being delayed and by saying you are the source… you post it here as if it’s real.
The first 16 A220’s are already fully paid for and the remaining 44 of the original 60 have had all of their pre delivery payments made.
The first 6 are already in various stages of construction with the third getting ready for paint in the next few weeks. Official unveiling is in one week… keep dreaming, but it’s not happening.
The first 16 A220’s are already fully paid for and the remaining 44 of the original 60 have had all of their pre delivery payments made.
The first 6 are already in various stages of construction with the third getting ready for paint in the next few weeks. Official unveiling is in one week… keep dreaming, but it’s not happening.
10-20-2021, 06:00 AM
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Getting brand new planes would imply high utilization, including overnights, RONs, and international flying. None of those things are remotely in the core competencies of Allegiant. None of the crew scheduling, tail routing, mx, website booking, etc seems setup for this. Likely it would require migrating to a real GDS system like Sabre or Amadeus, which would take months and millions of dollars.
Obviously a few of the A320s were new builds but they are strategically moved around the system and utilized well, but there’s only so much peak flying to cover and the A220 would represent a pretty large change in strategy.
Obviously a few of the A320s were new builds but they are strategically moved around the system and utilized well, but there’s only so much peak flying to cover and the A220 would represent a pretty large change in strategy.
10-20-2021, 07:16 AM
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Maybe we are going to a new GDS system. Look up flights in AIS after 5/17/2022. Maybe good old alley giant is ready to take a step toward becoming a real airline. Maybe overnights and international flying really are in our future. Or maybe consolidation is about to take place.
10-20-2021, 07:21 AM
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It's normal for them to only offer flights about 7 months out. They normally add a few months at a time, around the same time there are any new route announcements. I wouldn't be surprised if it's extended soon, around the next earnings announcement.
10-20-2021, 08:14 AM
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It's 5 o'clock somewhere
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Also, I seem to recall the summer schedule being on sale by now in years past.
10-20-2021, 08:34 AM
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It used to be a pretty consistent 6 months out. Since COVid, it has been all over the map. I have seen it as short as 2-3 months. 5/17 really isn’t that random. It’s about the end of the spring season when some school districts start getting out of school depending on the part of the country.
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10-26-2021, 06:29 PM
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Do I think Allegiant could benefit big time from using A220-300s and the possible extended A220-500? Yes. Do I think it is likely? Nope. Allegiant clearly focuses on buying older Airbus airframes for their common fleet and there are plenty on the market with all of the replacement A320/21 NEOs coming on line. It would be awesome if it happened for everyone involved including the route planners, the passengers and the crews, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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