PIT to PGD?
06-03-2021, 06:30 AM
#41
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...and the icing on the cake is that in the months you have reduced days off, those extra reserve days you are working for free!
So: you can't pick up stuff cause you're never legal because you're always sitting reserve, so min guarantee is what you get. And on top of that you work for free.
Did I mention working 2 extra days a month, 3 months out of the year, and not getting paid for them?
Awesome, isn't it
So: you can't pick up stuff cause you're never legal because you're always sitting reserve, so min guarantee is what you get. And on top of that you work for free.
Did I mention working 2 extra days a month, 3 months out of the year, and not getting paid for them?
Awesome, isn't it
06-03-2021, 06:54 AM
#42
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
That is on the top of my list for change. You can’t have sliding reserve times... you also shouldn’t be called and have a reserve time changed the day prior either.
I was here and saw the issues with a first contract. We were told repeatedly that since we don’t have a CBA already that we can’t get industry average.
That argument from the mediator no longer applies. I think our contract should be improve quite a bit.
Just be prepared for several emails from management trying to state how the union is holding it all up and the company is trying to get a deal done. Wait and read what the proposal is before judging your fellow pilots.
I was here and saw the issues with a first contract. We were told repeatedly that since we don’t have a CBA already that we can’t get industry average.
That argument from the mediator no longer applies. I think our contract should be improve quite a bit.
Just be prepared for several emails from management trying to state how the union is holding it all up and the company is trying to get a deal done. Wait and read what the proposal is before judging your fellow pilots.
06-03-2021, 07:21 AM
#43
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,215
...and the icing on the cake is that in the months you have reduced days off, those extra reserve days you are working for free!
So: you can't pick up stuff cause you're never legal because you're always sitting reserve, so min guarantee is what you get. And on top of that you work for free.
Did I mention working 2 extra days a month, 3 months out of the year, and not getting paid for them?
Awesome, isn't it
So: you can't pick up stuff cause you're never legal because you're always sitting reserve, so min guarantee is what you get. And on top of that you work for free.
Did I mention working 2 extra days a month, 3 months out of the year, and not getting paid for them?
Awesome, isn't it
It's like working at Mesa, but with bigger jets.
06-03-2021, 09:07 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
I don’t know about you but if I was on call at 3am every day I wouldn’t feel fully rested if I had to fly late that night.
I would also feel a lot better about the judgement of a fellow pilot who felt the same way rather than someone half asleep who was afraid to remove themselves from the trip. Being a professional doesn’t mean doing the job no matter what. It means doing the job properly with safety.
Our contract does allow for full pay if you call in fatigued and the safety board agrees. I don’t see how they could argue in that scenario.
If you find yourself good to fly then of course do so. Just stating the obvious.
I would also feel a lot better about the judgement of a fellow pilot who felt the same way rather than someone half asleep who was afraid to remove themselves from the trip. Being a professional doesn’t mean doing the job no matter what. It means doing the job properly with safety.
Our contract does allow for full pay if you call in fatigued and the safety board agrees. I don’t see how they could argue in that scenario.
If you find yourself good to fly then of course do so. Just stating the obvious.
06-03-2021, 09:46 AM
#45
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I don’t know about you but if I was on call at 3am every day I wouldn’t feel fully rested if I had to fly late that night.
I would also feel a lot better about the judgement of a fellow pilot who felt the same way rather than someone half asleep who was afraid to remove themselves from the trip. Being a professional doesn’t mean doing the job no matter what. It means doing the job properly with safety.
Our contract does allow for full pay if you call in fatigued and the safety board agrees. I don’t see how they could argue in that scenario.
If you find yourself good to fly then of course do so. Just stating the obvious.
I would also feel a lot better about the judgement of a fellow pilot who felt the same way rather than someone half asleep who was afraid to remove themselves from the trip. Being a professional doesn’t mean doing the job no matter what. It means doing the job properly with safety.
Our contract does allow for full pay if you call in fatigued and the safety board agrees. I don’t see how they could argue in that scenario.
If you find yourself good to fly then of course do so. Just stating the obvious.
06-03-2021, 12:32 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
I understand and agree. However this isn’t anyone’s first rodeo and seniority always comes with benefits.
Don’t make me bore you with the way it used to be a decade ago here. It will improve and I listed your complaints at the top of my own requests on the poll. I want the best new pilots to be welcome and happy here. Makes it better for everyone.
Don’t make me bore you with the way it used to be a decade ago here. It will improve and I listed your complaints at the top of my own requests on the poll. I want the best new pilots to be welcome and happy here. Makes it better for everyone.
06-03-2021, 02:48 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 218
What I'm saying is actually working for free. Sitting reserve. Two. Extra. Days. For. Zero. Pay.
Sorry for being repetitive but it blows my mind that this is still allowed.
Oh wait. It affects the junior folks, so...
07-01-2021, 09:27 AM
#48
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3 months?
PIT FO 3 months? I was told that about Punta Gorda now it’s well over a year away for the Feb 2020 class. Plan on not getting your base for 1 year. Anything sooner is a bonus. Don’t expect to commute either!
Originally Posted by Flightaware;[url=tel:3239981
3239981[/url]]Very unlikely that scenario will happen but of course not impossible. I’d say PIT FO, no problem within 6 months. PIT CA 3-7 years depending on company growth, PIT growth, and new bases. PGD CA, 15 years - maybe never.
PGD has little turnover on the CA side and the airport as it sits currently is saturated. If they double the size of the airport and base then you might have a shot. Too many variables at G4 to answer anything like this with certainty and we don’t have any significant retirements anytime soon.
PGD has little turnover on the CA side and the airport as it sits currently is saturated. If they double the size of the airport and base then you might have a shot. Too many variables at G4 to answer anything like this with certainty and we don’t have any significant retirements anytime soon.
07-01-2021, 09:29 AM
#49
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PIE
Over a years wait in reality for PIE, I don’t need a chart to tell me or you that. It’s senior now as is Punta Gorda. Tax free state many libs now want into.
Originally Posted by Greybush;[url=tel:3239985
3239985[/url]]Can you give your opinion on PIE? What's the seniority situation there?
07-01-2021, 09:36 AM
#50
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Lol
Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger;[url=tel:3240954
3240954[/url]]Thanks all. Yeah I meant as a CA. I think you guys said there should be FO vacancies for LAX this summer assuming they weren't gobbled up by recalls
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