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Old 05-29-2021, 08:50 PM
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Is there people that leave allegiant for the legacies?
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Old 05-30-2021, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by avident22
Is there people that leave allegiant for the legacies?
Pre-pandemic yes, about 2 pilots a month. The problem is most of them were from the bottom of the seniority list.
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Old 05-30-2021, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LoFly
Pre-pandemic yes, about 2 pilots a month. The problem is most of them were from the bottom of the seniority list.
and pre contract there was a lot of movement.
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Old 05-30-2021, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LoFly
Consider this (looking exclusively at retirements):
If tomorrow any of the legacies hires you, in 10 years you'll be somewhere around 50% seniority.
If tomorrow you get on with Allegiant, in 10 years you'd still be hanging out at the bottom 15% of the seniority list (~140 projected retirements).
This should give you an idea of how young our pilot group is.

The legacies also aren’t growing the size of their seniority lists 18% in 8 months through growth...not saying that this growth will continue nor will it allow you to upgrade wherever you want in 10 years given our base structure and business model, but retirements and attrition are just one aspect of movement. So saying someone would still be at the very bottom of the list in 10 years is false.
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Old 05-31-2021, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
The legacies also aren’t growing the size of their seniority lists 18% in 8 months through growth...not saying that this growth will continue nor will it allow you to upgrade wherever you want in 10 years given our base structure and business model, but retirements and attrition are just one aspect of movement. So saying someone would still be at the very bottom of the list in 10 years is false.
That's why I specified and underlined "looking exclusively at retirements". Thanks to growth things will move much, much faster. Hopefully.
But growth also is the one that can come to a halt real quick. Or even go negative as we could shrink for whatever reason (Rona V2?). Retirement rate is the baseline.
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Old 06-01-2021, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
The legacies also aren’t growing the size of their seniority lists 18% in 8 months through growth...not saying that this growth will continue nor will it allow you to upgrade wherever you want in 10 years given our base structure and business model, but retirements and attrition are just one aspect of movement. So saying someone would still be at the very bottom of the list in 10 years is false.
Hopefully the next contract can bridge the gap between senior and junior, so this is less of an issue. At Southwest, United, etc, the life of a junior CA and a senior CA are about the same, except maybe working weekends or holidays. But days off and line credit are about the same. Not at Allegiant.
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Old 06-02-2021, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
Hopefully the next contract can bridge the gap between senior and junior, so this is less of an issue. At Southwest, United, etc, the life of a junior CA and a senior CA are about the same, except maybe working weekends or holidays. But days off and line credit are about the same. Not at Allegiant.
They are? Explain
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:40 PM
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They are? Explain
Min days off at WN is 15. Rsv pays 79 hours. That's a lot different than 11/10 and 72.
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Old 06-03-2021, 02:52 AM
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A senior line holder can crush it during SAP and do 100PCH++ in premium mode easily whereas reserve peeps get slush. Pretty hard to pick up a crappy turn even on min RSV days off.
I’m not complaining. Just saying how it is.
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:34 AM
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Min days off at WN is 15. Rsv pays 79 hours. That's a lot different than 11/10 and 72.
...and the icing on the cake is that in the months you have reduced days off, those extra reserve days you are working for free!
So: you can't pick up stuff cause you're never legal because you're always sitting reserve, so min guarantee is what you get. And on top of that you work for free.
Did I mention working 2 extra days a month, 3 months out of the year, and not getting paid for them?
Awesome, isn't it
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