Pros and Cons of Allegiant
03-01-2021, 06:47 AM
#41
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Btw, they closed the "gaming centers", stopped building the resort (said they will make no further investment), and are shopping the golf course crap to buyers. Claim they are all in on the airline now, because that's where the money is going to be made in the next few years as travel rebounds.
03-01-2021, 09:56 AM
#42
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We are unique because we have small well connected pilot group with good union communication and support. We were the only airline to take no concessions during the pandemic because of this. Our unity is solidified by the creation of our own local within teamsters, and by the broad mistreatment of our pilot group by management. Allegiant is also unique because we are the only us airline to ever have profit margins above 20%. There are calculations done by some of the pilots here that show we are easily the most valuable pilots in the US on a net income per pilot basis. We are professionals who have helped create the most profitable and resilient airline in the world during the pandemic. It will take years for a new contract because we know how good Allegiant’s business model is and the role that we play in it. We won’t settle for anything less than industry leading pay and QOL, and we have the EXCO to make it happen
03-01-2021, 10:05 AM
#43
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We are unique because we have small well connected pilot group with good union communication and support. We were the only airline to take no concessions during the pandemic because of this. Our unity is solidified by the creation of our own local within teamsters, and by the broad mistreatment of our pilot group by management. Allegiant is also unique because we are the only us airline to ever have profit margins above 20%. There are calculations done by some of the pilots here that show we are easily the most valuable pilots in the US on a net income per pilot basis. We are professionals who have helped create the most profitable and resilient airline in the world during the pandemic. It will take years for a new contract because we know how good Allegiant’s business model is and the role that we play in it. We won’t settle for anything less than industry leading pay and QOL, and we have the EXCO to make it happen
Better check the no concessions line. And "Teamsters" being something to hang your hat on has yet to be proven in any contract they have had their name on. Im glad you have such high hopes for your next contract but you guys aren't a unicorn. Last I checked the hourly rates still lagged other ULCC, as well as other aspects of the contract. Not trying to slam, although I know some will take it as such..but some honesty. Again, you making gains helps us at Spirit and Frontier when ULCC rates increase, but "industry leading pay" when you are at the bottom, is as far fetched as when some of my fellow Spirit pilots said they wont vote for any contract that isnt industry leading.
03-01-2021, 11:08 AM
#44
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We are unique because we have small well connected pilot group with good union communication and support. We were the only airline to take no concessions during the pandemic because of this. Our unity is solidified by the creation of our own local within teamsters, and by the broad mistreatment of our pilot group by management. Allegiant is also unique because we are the only us airline to ever have profit margins above 20%. There are calculations done by some of the pilots here that show we are easily the most valuable pilots in the US on a net income per pilot basis. We are professionals who have helped create the most profitable and resilient airline in the world during the pandemic. It will take years for a new contract because we know how good Allegiant’s business model is and the role that we play in it. We won’t settle for anything less than industry leading pay and QOL, and we have the EXCO to make it happen
BTW SWA pilots didn't give any concessions.
03-01-2021, 11:19 AM
#45
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All furloughed pilots have been recalled, possible hiring at the end of the year. SWA did have to take concessions, hundreds of early retirements were required to prevent furloughs at SWA. We view giving up future contractual minimum income to prevent furloughs as concessions.
03-01-2021, 04:20 PM
#47
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EXCO was absolutely right to refuse to engage in concessions, but to not agree to a second ETO? Why EXCO agreed to the first voluntary time off agreement, but then refused to extend it into the fall when it became clear that the recovers was still months away still doesn't make sense to me - all it did was accelerate the furloughs.
03-01-2021, 04:30 PM
#48
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Allegiant is unique in that our EXCO chose to let pilots get furloughed before agreeing to a VOLUNTARY time off process to help reduce/mitigate the number of furloughs. Fortunately all pilots are back, but I will never understand why our membership doesn't understand that voluntary time off agreements are not concessions (head pounds wall)...
EXCO was absolutely right to refuse to engage in concessions, but to not agree to a second ETO? Why EXCO agreed to the first voluntary time off agreement, but then refused to extend it into the fall when it became clear that the recovers was still months away still doesn't make sense to me - all it did was accelerate the furloughs.
EXCO was absolutely right to refuse to engage in concessions, but to not agree to a second ETO? Why EXCO agreed to the first voluntary time off agreement, but then refused to extend it into the fall when it became clear that the recovers was still months away still doesn't make sense to me - all it did was accelerate the furloughs.
Yeah, I totally hate the “concession” Spirit gave up for our furlough preventions. I had to voluntarily agree to spend the last 6 months off with 50 hours pay per month, 13% DC (14% now), full benefits, accruing sick and seniority, and no obligation to maintain current or a medical. And in return, junior pilots got to keep their job and we furloughed zero pilots.
Some of your coworkers need to get a clue on what a concession is and isnt. Maybe too many years at SkyWest before Allegiant has clouded the brains of some and what a contract is and what a concession is
03-01-2021, 05:31 PM
#49
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Allegiant is unique in that our EXCO chose to let pilots get furloughed before agreeing to a VOLUNTARY time off process to help reduce/mitigate the number of furloughs. Fortunately all pilots are back, but I will never understand why our membership doesn't understand that voluntary time off agreements are not concessions (head pounds wall)...
EXCO was absolutely right to refuse to engage in concessions, but to not agree to a second ETO? Why EXCO agreed to the first voluntary time off agreement, but then refused to extend it into the fall when it became clear that the recovers was still months away still doesn't make sense to me - all it did was accelerate the furloughs.
EXCO was absolutely right to refuse to engage in concessions, but to not agree to a second ETO? Why EXCO agreed to the first voluntary time off agreement, but then refused to extend it into the fall when it became clear that the recovers was still months away still doesn't make sense to me - all it did was accelerate the furloughs.
03-01-2021, 05:46 PM
#50
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Yeah, I totally hate the “concession” Spirit gave up for our furlough preventions. I had to voluntarily agree to spend the last 6 months off with 50 hours pay per month, 13% DC (14% now), full benefits, accruing sick and seniority, and no obligation to maintain current or a medical. And in return, junior pilots got to keep their job and we furloughed zero pilots.
Some of your coworkers need to get a clue on what a concession is and isnt. Maybe too many years at SkyWest before Allegiant has clouded the brains of some and what a contract is and what a concession is
Some of your coworkers need to get a clue on what a concession is and isnt. Maybe too many years at SkyWest before Allegiant has clouded the brains of some and what a contract is and what a concession is
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