Allegiant 758 tower audio and a moron in a sea plane
04-18-2007, 05:55 AM
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just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.
04-18-2007, 07:09 AM
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On two occasions I've heard American Airlines pilots tell (1) SoCal in LAX and (2) NY Center southbound towards San juan, how to run their airspace and told ATC how they would be sequenced...probably the same tool...but glad he is retired.
04-18-2007, 07:28 AM
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just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.
There's enough on a controllers plate when they're handling the coordination between the aircraft in distress, company communications, ATC sector communications, coordinating with overlying Class B sectors, CFR coordination, etc.
The airspace around Sanford is Class C airspace. At its widest surface point it's 10 miles across. All this bozo needed to do is get clear, ask for cancellation of services and proceed on his way.
What the controller should have done is say "Attention all aircraft, emergency in progress at Orlando Sanford Airport. Orlando-Sanford Class C airspace is now closed to all non-participating emergency aircraft. Expect vectors to remain clear of the Class C airspace. The airspace will reopen in 15 minutes."
04-18-2007, 07:39 AM
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I used to fly into Sanford with TransMeridian in the 757 and I applaud the controllers there because of the volume and variety of traffic they control. From 747s to 767s to many Comair Academy planes to helos and anything else with wings, the controllers have their hands full trying to keep the traffic separated. Two other factors, Sanford is in close proximity to Orlando's traffic (mostly jets) and ERAU/FIT training flights so they were never at a loss for traffic.
In addition, with Rwy 9L/9C within what seems to me 200 feet of each other and 9R not too far away, how on Earth they keep student pilots and first-time visitors on the right runway, astounds me. Looking at the TCAS going into SFB is like look at a case of the measels.
Too bad the FAA doesn't follow-up on this rodent.
In addition, with Rwy 9L/9C within what seems to me 200 feet of each other and 9R not too far away, how on Earth they keep student pilots and first-time visitors on the right runway, astounds me. Looking at the TCAS going into SFB is like look at a case of the measels.
Too bad the FAA doesn't follow-up on this rodent.
04-18-2007, 07:55 AM
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just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.
He said he was no where near the Allegiant Aircraft....who is he to determan this? They could have been on fire or no flap config. doing a high speed approach. Who is more in the know during an emergency the controller or some transitioning light aircraft?
IMHO the Sea Plane pilot was way out of line. If your family was on board an emergancy aircraft and he was tying up the freq. over his "wasteful vector" how would you feel? Only necessary communications should have been going on at that point! What part of emergency in progress do you or the Sea Plane not understand?
04-18-2007, 08:11 AM
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It is called controlled airspace for a reason. If you can not afford the fuel during an "emergency progress" then one should think about not flying.
He said he was no where near the Allegiant Aircraft....who is he to determan this? They could have been on fire or no flap config. doing a high speed approach. Who is more in the know during an emergency the controller or some transitioning light aircraft?
IMHO the Sea Plane pilot was way out of line. If your family was on board an emergancy aircraft and he was tying up the freq. over his "wasteful vector" how would you feel? Only necessary communications should have been going on at that point! What part of emergency in progress do you or the Sea Plane not understand?
He said he was no where near the Allegiant Aircraft....who is he to determan this? They could have been on fire or no flap config. doing a high speed approach. Who is more in the know during an emergency the controller or some transitioning light aircraft?
IMHO the Sea Plane pilot was way out of line. If your family was on board an emergancy aircraft and he was tying up the freq. over his "wasteful vector" how would you feel? Only necessary communications should have been going on at that point! What part of emergency in progress do you or the Sea Plane not understand?
04-18-2007, 09:03 AM
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At least that is what I got out of it.
