Allegiant Bases
02-27-2023, 05:41 AM
#902
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02-27-2023, 05:52 AM
#903
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Define specific, watch the video, he lays it out.
Also, look at the company survey from last year. 33% of pilots who responded to the survey believed we would have had a TA by end of 2022, followed by a group (28%) that said 1st quarter this year. This tells us that the majority of pilots didn't believe AR's assessment of just how long this will take. He has set the right tone by, on more then one occasion, telling the group they should consider looking elsewhere as this is not going to be a quick process at all.
In my opinion, we will negotiate on and off with the mediator all of 2023 and likely be released by the mediator in mid-2024. I will be happy to be proven wrong. We are not going to have a new contract until the company wants us to have it.
Also, look at the company survey from last year. 33% of pilots who responded to the survey believed we would have had a TA by end of 2022, followed by a group (28%) that said 1st quarter this year. This tells us that the majority of pilots didn't believe AR's assessment of just how long this will take. He has set the right tone by, on more then one occasion, telling the group they should consider looking elsewhere as this is not going to be a quick process at all.
In my opinion, we will negotiate on and off with the mediator all of 2023 and likely be released by the mediator in mid-2024. I will be happy to be proven wrong. We are not going to have a new contract until the company wants us to have it.
02-27-2023, 06:13 AM
#904
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I think there are 3 things at play here-
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
02-27-2023, 08:12 AM
#905
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Position: A320 CA
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I think there are 3 things at play here-
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
I don't think you're crazy for saying we could released (for the reasons you state above), I think you are crazy for believing it will happen so quickly.
If we do get released, it won't be until at least 2-3 years of mediation which takes us to 2025 or 2026. At that point, we will have missed out on 5 years of wages and be at least one full cycle behind the industry.
We would need half a million each in retro pay just to make up for the rates and retirement we would have missed out on...
02-27-2023, 09:53 PM
#906
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I think there are 3 things at play here-
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
1.) The company will try and convince the mediator that since they are different then all the other airlines, the pilots will have to accept less then what everyone else already has. So not only will the company not even be willing to meet halfway on some work rules, they won't even be willing to meet halfway at all.
2.) We are not American airlines. We have no impact on the national transportation system. In fact, we are so insignificant we don't even fly on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. We are more like a club then an airline.
3.) A democrat administration such as the current one will be looking to support unions, especially after what happened with the Railroads. Biden calls himself a "friend of labor". They will see this as their chance to support labor.
03-22-2023, 04:14 PM
#908
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Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 479
all the bases are a revolving door due to staffing issues. The downgrades and base closures are coming.
To answer your question in the other thread about how long to get to another base depends if there is vacancy’s and back fills and what bases. You can go hang out in dsm pretty easily. Florida will take longer.
03-22-2023, 04:27 PM
#909
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Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 947
all the bases are a revolving door due to staffing issues. The downgrades and base closures are coming.
To answer your question in the other thread about how long to get to another base depends if there is vacancy’s and back fills and what bases. You can go hang out in dsm pretty easily. Florida will take longer.
To answer your question in the other thread about how long to get to another base depends if there is vacancy’s and back fills and what bases. You can go hang out in dsm pretty easily. Florida will take longer.
03-22-2023, 05:38 PM
#910
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Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 42
Sounds like a nightmare. Are these the kind of issues the union is trying to fix?
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