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Old 01-03-2023, 06:35 AM
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Hello everyone,
I am joining Allegaint in February. The reason to joint Allegaint is that I would be at home every day. Also I want to know about ABE base. When ll I get it . Also do they tell me during training about my base or not ? Please anyone can explain it to me .I am new to this system.
EWR is what 1-2 hours from Allentown? Go to United, bid the 787 as an FO, sit reserve at home, be home every night, make more than 75% of G4 pilots your second year.

I'm sorry, but you'd have the be very low experience, lazy, or not intelligent to come to G4 right now. If you're low time, go to a regional that has a base in EWR or PHL then go to UA or AA.
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Old 01-03-2023, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot24
Hello everyone,
I am joining Allegaint in February. The reason to joint Allegaint is that I would be at home every day. Also I want to know about ABE base. When ll I get it . Also do they tell me during training about my base or not ? Please anyone can explain it to me .I am new to this system.
It looks like there could be one vacancy offered to your class, you might want to advocate for yourself with your classmates if people with the better social security number are thinking about taking it and they don't live there, because if you don't get the one that's offered to your class it's minimum five months until you will get it.

It's sitting at a three year upgrade. It stays Junior because United and Delta do have bases down the road.

I think you know which base you are getting in the first few days of indoc.

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Old 01-03-2023, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot24
Hello everyone,
I am joining Allegaint in February. The reason to joint Allegaint is that I would be at home every day. Also I want to know about ABE base. When ll I get it . Also do they tell me during training about my base or not ? Please anyone can explain it to me .I am new to this system.
If we keep shrinking this is a base that could very likely get closed.
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Old 01-04-2023, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser
It looks like there could be one vacancy offered to your class, you might want to advocate for yourself with your classmates if people with the better social security number are thinking about taking it and they don't live there, because if you don't get the one that's offered to your class it's minimum five months until you will get it.

It's sitting at a three year upgrade. It stays Junior because United and Delta do have bases down the road.

I think you know which base you are getting in the first few days of indoc.
I doubt that upgrade time will hold. It will only get worse.
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Old 01-04-2023, 05:47 AM
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I doubt that upgrade time will hold. It will only get worse.
Exactly. Zero upgrades for sure until a contract is in place, which will take years according to the union's last update. And once a new contract is in place, assuming it is industry standard, some senior FOs may choose to finally upgrade.
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Old 01-04-2023, 06:06 AM
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The union just admitted that the company is likely to shrink to 500 pilots (some of us have been saying this for years, glad the union finally admits it). That means half the current captains are facing downgrade.

Every person that will ever be a captain at this airline has already been hired. There is no upgrade time.
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Old 01-05-2023, 08:07 AM
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The union just admitted that the company is likely to shrink to 500 pilots (some of us have been saying this for years, glad the union finally admits it). That means half the current captains are facing downgrade.
Every person that will ever be a captain at this airline has already been hired. There is no upgrade time.
Unfortunately this is not wrong.

2023 Planned Hiring

DAL 2400
UAL 2500-3000
AA 2000
WN 2200
= 9,600

Legacy hiring 500+ G4 pilots in the next 12-18 months is very realistic. Once the downgrades start here it will be very hard to stop the momentum.

Peak legacy retirements aren't until 2026 and don't taper off until 2035 so we are still early in the wave. It was a good run here for some of us but it's time for the next chapter.
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Old 01-05-2023, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser
It looks like there could be one vacancy offered to your class, you might want to advocate for yourself with your classmates if people with the better social security number are thinking about taking it and they don't live there, because if you don't get the one that's offered to your class it's minimum five months until you will get it.
This brings up an interesting question. Do any of you guys know how they determine seniority for the visa pilots? They don't have SSNs.
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Old 01-05-2023, 09:28 AM
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This brings up an interesting question. Do any of you guys know how they determine seniority for the visa pilots? They don't have SSNs.
They do have social security numbers, it's part of a work visa.
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Old 01-05-2023, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by KC135
Unfortunately this is not wrong.

2023 Planned Hiring

DAL 2400
UAL 2500-3000
AA 2000
WN 2200
= 9,600

Legacy hiring 500+ G4 pilots in the next 12-18 months is very realistic. Once the downgrades start here it will be very hard to stop the momentum.

Peak legacy retirements aren't until 2026 and don't taper off until 2035 so we are still early in the wave. It was a good run here for some of us but it's time for the next chapter.
Not sure I see 500 happening. Attrition here is virtually all lower end of the list. Last year we lost 139 pilots which given the opportunities out there doesn’t seem like a lot. What could be problematic is we’re unable to hire enough FO’s to maintain status-quo & have to downgrade CA’s to balance out staffing. That could kick-start the graveyard spiral everyone seems to be predicting.

Anyone who listened carefully to what the EXCO was saying the past year and isn’t willing to sell themselves short to be home every night - they’ve already left or have applied. All these guys just now supposedly submitting PRIA requests & updating their logbooks - I’ll believe when I see it. Most of these folks aren’t leaving unless their base closes.
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