FlyinCat

I'll look into that thanks. Just can't do the 15 day stretch thing which seems to be the cargo standard.

tailendcharlie

I second this….I would be VERY hesitant to leave my day job, or make a life decision involving spouse job, kids school, etc…based on the premise of any of these bases other than a handful of the largest. These aren’t the rantings of sour-grapes internet posters but rather are verified statements by management regarding potential base closings and the option of parking airbuses depending on conditions. Things are flux.

Margaritaville

Good news! Management at Allegiant is the same and morale is at all time lows so you'll feel right at home!

Its been said a hundred times, but let me clap maybe it will sink in. Don't 👏🏻 Come 👏🏻 To 👏🏻Allegiant 👏🏻 Expecting 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 Large 👏🏻 Base.

Also if management does shrink the company, as they are threatening you could be furloughed. Don't forget Allegiant was only one of 2 airlines to furlough during covid and worse they only did it to spite the union. Took those guys hostage.

JediCheese

What idiot got stuck in BLI that didn't want it (unless you're talking about the 757/maddog days)? Double idiot getting a hotel vs buying a campervan + pad at a campground.

Shrinking enough to furlough isn't going to happen. We'll shrink because we don't have crews, not because of other factors.

Sunseeker only works if we carry enough passengers to the resort to make it worthwhile. No way you fill all 800 rooms without the Allegiant airline fleet bringing guests to PGD.

Clearedforils

My god..the negativity of some our folks is mind-boggling to say the least.

FlyinCat: it isn't that bad as a handful of the folks on here make it out to be. While there are a few things here, as at any airline... that can be better. We're optimistic, they are rectified in the subsequent contract as being addressed by the union.

Heck, just last week I sat next to a sleepy DL pilot, who was deadheading & proudly wearing a green union lanyard that said "Fatigued & Undervalued". So, I'd take most opinions at face value and make your own evaluation once you're hired & flying the line.

And yes, if the midwest is where you'd want to be and you like being home..there is no better 121 airline job than allegiant. That goes for most bases at G4 actually. Yeah, the nay-sayers will jump in here and squawk 'Involuntary TDY'..etc, but eventually in time you will be at a base of 'your' choosing. The FO list moves up rather quickly than upgrades. CVG isn't going anywhere, it is too important for the company..financially & geographically. Worst case..you'll still fly narrow-body equipment, with a corporate like flying schedule..but with airline type benefits. If you ever had a hobby alongside flying, but were unable to fulfill it being a forever‐traveling airline pilot..you would now have the time, energy & consistency to attend to that.

The other options may appear to be more lucrative, but at the expense of average half or more a month of hotel check-ins, hotel vans, crappy food due to hotel location/hours/sched, constant time-zone changes affecting health & general well-being. Even the nay-sayers know this & probably a good reason why, they're still here! We fly 99% within the US with some of the best ATC support system in the world(i've flown around the globe..ATS can be dismal, flying environments dangerous like in Africa/Asia/Artic/South America & definitely not easy on your system). 50% of your normal flight day at allegiant would be in & out of your home airport(huge plus for familiarity), so you will get good at it. Make your own assessment.

Be Realistic

It is always amusing when pilots try to predict CEO's and CFO's and how bankruptcy works. Its surprising how often it happens..

'I'm not paying that rate, declare bankruptcy damit!. We will show them and make them work for peanuts for longer. They wont leave. Free market doesn't apply to astute management like us. Shareholders be dammed, go file at the court. They wont see the pile of cash we are sitting on or our returns for the last 5 years'

That's just not how it works folks.

But if you want to come to G4 regardless of the good information that is here, just do it. You seem to be looking for someone to validate your decision. You will come to regret it. I am very confident of that.

Margaritaville

You're probably right. They won't need to furlough because the shrinkage will be due to attrition. There will be a lot of CA downgrades though. Got to get FOs from somewhere.

As for Sunseeker they will just sacrifice all the other bases to keep PGD and whatever other towns they build one staffed.

tailendcharlie

They’re typically west coast folks who take a look at commuting options (and the weather) of FNT, ABE, etc…. & while they wait out the bid that will finally get them where they want to be BLI makes the most sense. And after LAX it’s our most expensive base to live in.

captnate702

Not trying to nitpick, but I think BLI is actually pretty affordable if you avoid the Seattle sprawl and live right near the airport or head east for the hills and the more rural areas. I don't know as much about the tax situation in BLI but I imagine is higher than most, housing costs are pretty affordable if you stay away from Seattle.

Having said that, we have pretty affordable bases apart from LAX. AUS is probably more expensive for housing, but less in taxes and utilities. Good pilot friend who lives on a 3-4 acre piece of horse property in Vegas was looking at TYS when it opened up and couldn't believe how cheap land and housing was in east tennessee. He was ready to leave the desert, but his wife and children said no way... the silver lining of smaller bases, is that you do have more options on where to live.

I think most of us would prefer management grow the FL/LAS/IWA bases, but with our model and the airports we fly to we are limited in how many aircraft we can park and so most of the growth is destined for small bases. For some people (definitely a minority) I do think the small base structure is viewed as a positive.

Coehill

My favorite rhetoric is that new hires will never hold the established bases….
yet…
bli is now going to new hires….
and if everyone is leaving…
would not that open up spots in established base?

the guys on here are self serving, do your research talk to the people that are happy to be here, pm me I’ll give you a handful of people to talk to.