Allegiant Bases
12-27-2021, 04:41 PM
#552
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,033
it seems we have more than anyone else, possibly everyone else combined. Some pilots are filing them every single month. And the thing is the company doesn’t settle things when they realize they made a violation like at other airlines (oh you didn’t get a hotel for your 6 hour sit because crew Scheduling was in an irop and didn’t answer their phone, here are 4 hours extra pay). They constantly delay, allow things to become a formal grievance, or create new interpretations all together. The union is having about one arbitration hearing a month or every other month which is unheard of.
12-28-2021, 08:35 AM
#553
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,244
This is the kind of airline where you need to check your pay sheet every day. When you find a mistake you have to submit a JIRA report. After 7-10 days you get a response that they found some barely or non applicable loophole in some section of the contract that has nothing to do with anything and therefore your pay was correct. Then you file a grievance.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
12-28-2021, 09:05 AM
#554
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
My dream contract has first and foremost that any grievance dispute won awards all pilots five hours PCH.
The current issue is that there is no penalty for bad behavior and ironically it saves the company money to pay you a year later. Why they don’t factor in the staggering costs to rehire people who leave because of this is beyond me.
Allegiant seems like an airline looking from the outside in, but from the inside out it is not. I’ll leave it at that.
The current issue is that there is no penalty for bad behavior and ironically it saves the company money to pay you a year later. Why they don’t factor in the staggering costs to rehire people who leave because of this is beyond me.
Allegiant seems like an airline looking from the outside in, but from the inside out it is not. I’ll leave it at that.
12-28-2021, 09:52 AM
#555
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 112
This is the kind of airline where you need to check your pay sheet every day. When you find a mistake you have to submit a JIRA report. After 7-10 days you get a response that they found some barely or non applicable loophole in some section of the contract that has nothing to do with anything and therefore your pay was correct. Then you file a grievance.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
damn that sounds rough..Weren’t you guys going to strike a few years ago or am i not correct on that. I remember reading something about that a while back
12-28-2021, 10:14 AM
#556
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 717
Our Union leaders are trying, but it seems like they might be unsophisticated or inexperienced to deal with the 3-Dimensional chess the Company is playing. We do win a lot of arbitrations, but we supposedly have arbitrations every month or every month and we supposedly win 90% of them, but in the 5+ years we've had our contract I can only name a handful of arbitrations that actually benefited the pilot group - the numbers definitely don't add up, but again, Exco has an incredibly difficult job.
12-28-2021, 10:17 AM
#557
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 717
My dream contract has first and foremost that any grievance dispute won awards all pilots five hours PCH.
The current issue is that there is no penalty for bad behavior and ironically it saves the company money to pay you a year later. Why they don’t factor in the staggering costs to rehire people who leave because of this is beyond me.
Allegiant seems like an airline looking from the outside in, but from the inside out it is not. I’ll leave it at that.
The current issue is that there is no penalty for bad behavior and ironically it saves the company money to pay you a year later. Why they don’t factor in the staggering costs to rehire people who leave because of this is beyond me.
Allegiant seems like an airline looking from the outside in, but from the inside out it is not. I’ll leave it at that.
12-29-2021, 04:33 PM
#558
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A-320
Posts: 176
This is the kind of airline where you need to check your pay sheet every day. When you find a mistake you have to submit a JIRA report. After 7-10 days you get a response that they found some barely or non applicable loophole in some section of the contract that has nothing to do with anything and therefore your pay was correct. Then you file a grievance.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
Then you bid for next month and even when you're mid senior in your base your line is filled with High Demand Must Work Days and trips on days junior pilots were given off. It doesn't matter that our contract expressly prohibits this and the union even won an arbitration on it. They still do it. Company need. Anyhow you must protest your schedule to one of two management flight attendants in the company who have been put in charge of this. After a couple of days she gets back to you and says your schedule is correct you just didn't bid right. Then you file a grievance.
A month later when you have a reserve line because they reduced the flying in a your base and a bunch of junior guys with vacation and training credit got lines but you didn't you get shanghai'd on a reserve day. They call you up to do a 6 leg triple deadhead to move an airplane to another base and overnight. You tell scheduling that's illegal because you have a golden day tomorrow but they say they don't care and you can file a grievance. So you do.
Then you try to pick up a premium trip on your day off and you are awarded it but then scheduling takes away one of your future reserve days and retroactively calls the premium trip a reserve assignment and you worked for free because you're below guarantee. The union guy shrugs and says yeah thats a known issue file a grievance. So you do.
These are just a few examples of why we have more grievances than any other airline. They still try to operate like there's no union or contract.
According to the company 50% of the pilots have not filed a grievance. Which means 50% have. Think about that for a moment. 50% of the pilots feel wronged enough to fill out a bunch of paperwork. I bet it is much higher than 50% too.
02-28-2022, 11:11 AM
#560
Kabuki Kool
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: fu3king.airline@Furlough. DNA
Posts: 447
New hire for both IWA and LAS not too long. There’re achievable as an FO. Someone else can chime in the exact numbers. Although, bro. IWA is especially stagnant, it’s the retirement base and no significant growth, most likely never will be. See our love of two-plane mid-continent strategy. 10+years captain to hold permanent reserve. See our reserve rules, worse in the business. However, if you have to you have to.
Might I respectfully suggest WN or AA, for the Phoenix area. PHX and LAS are attainable just as fast in not faster as a new hire. LAS for WN easier to commute to same airline out of PHX, than IWA to LAS on G4. You may get IWA or LAS as an FO, but be TDY’d immediately thereafter, see or TDY refugees. There goes your home every night.
You will upgrade faster at WN and AA in PHX before you would IWA at G4 or make more money 2nd year than a 10-year captain IWA as a FO out of PHX for either.
Or, use us to jump to WN or AA? In today’s market might be unnecessary. As a side note, I have buddy who got hired by WN without a 4-year degree. Good Luck.
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