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Old 08-12-2021, 02:07 PM
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My guess would be they bring back VBD and then close VBD so they can force displace pilots into Flint.
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Old 08-13-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
I think the more likely scenario is, this will become a forced TDY nightmare base, only magnifying the misery.

New hires will get awarded FNT, but by the time they finish OE they’ll bid out, creating a constant need to TDY. Allentown was like this before covid. On the captain side, it will likely be a constant churn of upgrades, creating the same problem of pilots being “based” in FNT, but never actually working there since they’ll be in the upgrade footprint. Unless they bring VBD back by Feb, this means pilots will be pulled from other bases to staff FNT… so much for being home every night.
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My guess would be they bring back VBD and then close VBD so they can force displace pilots into Flint.
Do you think the union would cave on the vacancy reductions after standing up to the company last time they tried it? That would be terrible precedent in negotiations but I could definitely see the company trying it. If they did, attrition would spike. They are arrogant about getting butts in seats right now, but that's going to change in a year or two. We had hit the bottom of the barrel with the Feb 2020 class in terms of experience and backgrounds. Several regionals shutting down boosted their numbers for this hiring wave but that's not going to last long. Pretty soon we will have 1500 hour CFIs in the right seat.
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Sept and Oct are going to be a wakeup call, I know a few guys are leaving. It's going to be an interesting Christmas as this summer was, staffing wise.
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
You're probably right.



We had hit the bottom of the barrel with the Feb 2020 class in terms of experience and backgrounds.
If I knew how to read, I’d be very offended by this!
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Old 08-13-2021, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LoFly
Sept and Oct are going to be a wakeup call, I know a few guys are leaving. It's going to be an interesting Christmas as this summer was, staffing wise.
How many is a few? Enough to make a big impact?
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Old 08-13-2021, 07:05 PM
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How many is a few? Enough to make a big impact?
My knowledge of people leaving is limited to the base I live in, which statistically should apply to the whole pilot group. Based on that, attrition should spike to 10+ a month by Oct-Nov.
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Old 08-13-2021, 07:37 PM
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2 more Allegiant bases in cities I would never buy a used car from……
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Old 08-14-2021, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LoFly
My knowledge of people leaving is limited to the base I live in, which statistically should apply to the whole pilot group. Based on that, attrition should spike to 10+ a month by Oct-Nov.

Sounds about right. Latest I heard was avg 4 people leaving a week.


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Old 08-14-2021, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LoFly
Sept and Oct are going to be a wakeup call, I know a few guys are leaving. It's going to be an interesting Christmas as this summer was, staffing wise.
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How many is a few? Enough to make a big impact?
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My knowledge of people leaving is limited to the base I live in, which statistically should apply to the whole pilot group. Based on that, attrition should spike to 10+ a month by Oct-Nov.
The bottom 300-400 of the list is about to become a revolving door. Junior captains are trickling out now too. Many of the permanent reserve guys are holding CJOs and waiting for class dates.
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Old 08-14-2021, 08:04 AM
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So you're saying slots will be opening in bases?
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