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09-26-2023, 11:56 AM
#1051
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 705
Contract negotiations have been primarily focused on just the training section of the contract since the start of mediation nearly 6 months ago and no agreement has been reached. Some simple extrapolation & the realization there are numerous far more contentious & financially impactful sections yet to be tackled suggests the pessimists are probably being realistic.
if you only live 20min from PVU and given that you will be able to hold PVU pretty quickly out of training, i think you could really love it here. if you don't, then you can get the type rating and move on like the other 40% of new hires and move on to a place that fits what you are looking for...
09-26-2023, 01:25 PM
#1052
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2023
Position: Citation CJ3, Left Seat
Posts: 9
Aviateutah - i agree with tailend here, the contract is going to be a long drawn out process. It probably won't be this slow the entire time (at this pace we won't have a contract until the 2030s and i believe ALPA will be on property by then if we still don't have a contract), but it will be years at this rate.
if you only live 20min from PVU and given that you will be able to hold PVU pretty quickly out of training, i think you could really love it here. if you don't, then you can get the type rating and move on like the other 40% of new hires and move on to a place that fits what you are looking for...
if you only live 20min from PVU and given that you will be able to hold PVU pretty quickly out of training, i think you could really love it here. if you don't, then you can get the type rating and move on like the other 40% of new hires and move on to a place that fits what you are looking for...
Great info, thanks for the replies.
09-28-2023, 05:16 AM
#1053
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 220
The current pace would certainly suggest this taking a very long time. With that being said, the pace of negotiations is completely up to the company. If they decide at some point it’s time to get the deal done, it can be done within a relatively short amount of time. They have all of the info needed with current pay scales, benefits, and work rules from all carriers that we need to be on par with. If it takes years to get a deal done, it’s simply because the company wants it to take years.
09-28-2023, 06:06 AM
#1054
Fly or Die
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 487
The current pace would certainly suggest this taking a very long time. With that being said, the pace of negotiations is completely up to the company. If they decide at some point it’s time to get the deal done, it can be done within a relatively short amount of time. They have all of the info needed with current pay scales, benefits, and work rules from all carriers that we need to be on par with. If it takes years to get a deal done, it’s simply because the company wants it to take years.
09-28-2023, 06:08 AM
#1055
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 1st year pay for the 3rd time
Posts: 1,434
The pace of things just got slower: https://ir.allegiantair.com/news-rel...aury-gallagher
He was always in charge. Pace will remain the same IMO.
09-28-2023, 06:49 AM
#1056
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 284
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
09-28-2023, 08:47 AM
#1057
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 705
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
09-28-2023, 08:50 AM
#1058
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
09-28-2023, 09:31 AM
#1059
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Position: A320 CA
Posts: 705
Absolutely it’s up to the company. The only thing the union can do for immediate results would be to accept less than standard. Hopefully that’s not what you’re implying. Waiting on the ruling is just not true. Do you really believe the company is offering industry standard? I’ve been telling you who has been running the show this whole time and that email confirms it. You obvious don’t know him if you think standard is being offered and the union is slow rolling. There are people in the company that will be more than happy to tell you what they are offering because well, “it’s a big improvement from what you have.” You can ask what min day is being offered for example, that answer alone should tell you all you need to know.
I’m not implying anything about less than standard, only telling you what I hear. The hot mic is a terrible look and just shows you how amateur and untrustworthy our union reps are. That the union is not prepared for negotiations with the NMB is all bad news for us. The only way to have the threat of self help is to dot your I’s and cross your T’s every step of the way with the NMB.
09-28-2023, 03:25 PM
#1060
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
I guess you really think we are as stupid as the E Board thinks we all are… yea we heard the open mic and the union trying to remove the audio of the hot mic is b.s.
I’m not implying anything about less than standard, only telling you what I hear. The hot mic is a terrible look and just shows you how amateur and untrustworthy our union reps are. That the union is not prepared for negotiations with the NMB is all bad news for us. The only way to have the threat of self help is to dot your I’s and cross your T’s every step of the way with the NMB.
I’m not implying anything about less than standard, only telling you what I hear. The hot mic is a terrible look and just shows you how amateur and untrustworthy our union reps are. That the union is not prepared for negotiations with the NMB is all bad news for us. The only way to have the threat of self help is to dot your I’s and cross your T’s every step of the way with the NMB.
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