ESQ702

The new contract is 24+ months away, at best, in my opinion. If you look at how many sections of the contract that still need a mutual agreement on it’s not even close right now.

captnate702

we will ask to get released but we won’t get released. Only way this deal gets done is by union leadership and management actually getting a deal done the traditional way - lots of negotiations.

Both sides are in it for the long haul with the retention bonus. the secret leverage of attrition won’t materialize and the time value of money leverage is gone too. The retention bonus paved the way for these negotiations to last a long time.

pipercub

That is not how it works, we are a long way to push for a release. Even if we did the Mediation Board is under no obligation to consider a request or grant the request. They will use all the tools of Mediation and it will go on until the Mediator thinks that Mediation can no longer be effective in getting a deal done. The mediator or the mediation board has zero interest or reason to push it along faster. So as long as any progress is being made it goes on. We are likely 2 years from getting to the point the Union could start making noise that zero progress is being made and encourage the Mediation board to release the pilots. Pilot contracts take a long time and especially a contract that is so far below a standard contract like ours. The only way it moves faster or gets done faster is if Allegiant Management wants to get it done, and they could if they were truly willing to provide an industry-standard contract it could be done relatively. That is in months vs years. So far they do not show any motivation outside just talk to do that. The contract they seem to want is the one they have with a 35% pay raise and move on. In a way, they have gotten that with the retention bonus and get the benefit of not having to pay out for who know how long.

So if anyone is planning on coming to Allegiant with the expectation of a new contract soon, that is not very likely at all. Possibly not likely. Even if the company was motivated at the current rate of meetings it would likely take a year min.

BStill

There seem to be a lot of different interpretations (and influence ops) amongst the pilots on all of these forums about "how it works" with the RLA and the NMB. But my gut feeling about the Allegiant situation is that, while you can always grumble about management being management, the underlying issue is that the majority of the pilot group (and therefore IBT) are fairly satisfied with the status quo and happy to wait for a TA to just "happen". That "retention bonus" ("I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today") is a prime illustration of that.

KC135

So you think the pilots and union represent the underlying issue why a TA hasn't happened yet? The fact that the company is offering less than industry standard wouldn't be the underlying reason? What would you have wanted the pilots to do so you wouldn't view them as the underlying issue, all just quit and move on to legacy? If it was only that simple, the fact that you lose all of your seniority and longevity when you make moves in our industry makes the decision a little more complex. We've lost 263 pilots so far this year, which is quite a lot to leave in 7.5 months! I'm just not sure why so many on this forum including yourself will blame shift away from the company. I understand the union isn't perfect and has made mistakes (agreeing to the bonus for example) but if the company was to step up and offer what everybody else in the industry already has then there would be a TA on the table fairly quickly. It's not much more complex than that.

pipercub

This is not true, the majority of the Pilot group is not satisfied at all with the status quo. It will take a long time because this pilot group will not settle for less than they deserve in an industry-standard contract. For the company to be sustainable going forward it has to be able to recruit and retain pilots. The timeline is on when the company finally understands that and needs a deal to move on, until then it is playing the game of Neg under RLA.

tailendcharlie

The company still thinks a recession is coming and the pilot hiring environment will return to the historical norm. And it’ll be like 2009 again.

dnick822

How senior is the AUS base?

pipercub

Nov 22 currently junior FO. The problem is if everyone that is there wants it will be slow moving without any added AC to the base.

flydiamond

AUS hasn't really grown at all since it opened, the terminal we operate from is being torn down by eminent domain and our accommodations in other parts of the terminal are uncertain, and its pretty senior to hold on the bottom end... I wouldn't recommend coming here for AUS...