Bailing for greener pastures?
10-07-2016, 06:25 AM
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With the state of the regional airlines attracting pilots these days, aag must be smoking something good. I can not see how they could attract enough pilots to fly them. SCOPE IS A MUST, the state of the industry may be an even better scope clause. I bet BT and BM are sitting there saying there isn't a pilot shortage as regionals are being forced to pay very close to mainline rates to attract pilots and still can not do it.
10-07-2016, 09:02 PM
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It seems though AAG is in part of the country esp with ANC, SEA, and PDX that makes them pretty enviable for a lot of guys simply for the PNW. They are from there/live there/and that would always be their #1. Not sure how it is now but Horizon and Alaska never had any problems getting pilots. Delta has changed the playing field a bit in the PNW with both Compass and DAL having a SEA base which has gone relatively-speaking fairly junior. I'm not sold on the notion that regionals attracting pilots will be a problem in the future, not for a carrier like Horizon.
Scope remains one of the top issues for a lot of people.
Scope remains one of the top issues for a lot of people.
10-10-2016, 02:31 AM
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Scope basically limits the number of rj airplanes and also seating capacity, protecting mainline jobs and growth.
Most majors have negotiated with their unions to allow a certain number of small jets to be flown by regionals, but anything over 76 (usually) seats needs to be flown by mainline pilots.
Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals
Most majors have negotiated with their unions to allow a certain number of small jets to be flown by regionals, but anything over 76 (usually) seats needs to be flown by mainline pilots.
Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals
Mainline can...and in my estimation would, outsource 787's.
The only gurantee we get are the 737's that were on order at last DOS.
10-10-2016, 06:09 AM
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Alaska is the dream place for a lot of PNWers, but with regionals like Compass and SkyWest having bases in the region (and better pay, QOL, etc.) Horizon isn't very attractive currently. Not to mention you'll be in a pool if you go from QX to AS, whereas coming from anywhere else you'll go right to class.
10-10-2016, 06:17 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean about the junior/senior issue.
10-10-2016, 09:21 AM
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Bailing for greener pastures?
No limit on outsourcing of any kind.... Except the current 737s + (73 orders and options from the 2012 aircraft order).
Word is the TPA hold up we are having with management is over scope. I am glad people are starting open their eyes to the threat.
10-10-2016, 09:32 AM
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To add to that currently there are 13 EMBs flying for Alaska. When all the Firm orders arrive there will be 58 plus 30 options. If our pilots don't think that will effect our flying then they really don't give a S___t
10-10-2016, 11:03 AM
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I've read that the E175 sim can support the E190 software, so there is no need to buy separate sims. During the last TA road shows, a union rep was spouting off that scope isn't worth the paper that it's written on! Seriously, ALPA?!
10-10-2016, 12:43 PM
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They're sucking it up and paying for D checks. So all the new Embraers will be new flying, most likely starting out out with increased frequency to current AAG cities. Planning on receiving 13 next year, from Apr~Dec, with one per month after that....
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