Bailing for greener pastures?
10-06-2016, 09:40 AM
#23
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It's been done. It relies on following a career to captain on a heavy. Back in the day a 30 year career at United was worth somewhere around 7 million while a career at Alaska was worth 4 million. The numbers are bigger today. I have no desire to do the math but please, feel free to do it for me and post it here. Thanks.
10-06-2016, 10:11 AM
#24
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This scope thing, trying to wrap my head around it (as an outsider). Scope would prevent AAG from flying RJs on traditionally Alaska Airlines routes? Basically preventing a creep of services to low cost carriers under the same colors as Alaska Airlines? What other sorts of things would having a scope clause protect against?
Scope basically limits the number of rj airplanes and also seating capacity, protecting mainline jobs and growth.
Most majors have negotiated with their unions to allow a certain number of small jets to be flown by regionals, but anything over 76 (usually) seats needs to be flown by mainline pilots.
Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals
10-06-2016, 10:31 AM
#25
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It's been done. It relies on following a career to captain on a heavy. Back in the day a 30 year career at United was worth somewhere around 7 million while a career at Alaska was worth 4 million. The numbers are bigger today. I have no desire to do the math but please, feel free to do it for me and post it here. Thanks.
10-06-2016, 01:48 PM
#26
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Scope basically limits the number of rj airplanes and also seating capacity, protecting mainline jobs and growth.
Most majors have negotiated with their unions to allow a certain number of small jets to be flown by regionals, but anything over 76 (usually) seats needs to be flown by mainline pilots.
Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals
Most majors have negotiated with their unions to allow a certain number of small jets to be flown by regionals, but anything over 76 (usually) seats needs to be flown by mainline pilots.
Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals
What other provisions are generally hashed out in a contract with a union? Other than just base pay, how are benefits calculated? Do you guys recommend any resources to get me up to speed on what to expect when I join the union and why rights/privileges/responsibilities will be? I know we'll get a union brief, but I'm looking for a broader view of what airline unions do/are.
10-06-2016, 04:25 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
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Gotcha, makes sense now. I'm not a union guy, yet, so this is a world that is entirely new to me.
What other provisions are generally hashed out in a contract with a union? Other than just base pay, how are benefits calculated? Do you guys recommend any resources to get me up to speed on what to expect when I join the union and why rights/privileges/responsibilities will be? I know we'll get a union brief, but I'm looking for a broader view of what airline unions do/are.
What other provisions are generally hashed out in a contract with a union? Other than just base pay, how are benefits calculated? Do you guys recommend any resources to get me up to speed on what to expect when I join the union and why rights/privileges/responsibilities will be? I know we'll get a union brief, but I'm looking for a broader view of what airline unions do/are.
http://www3.alpa.org/publications/Fl...The_Line_1.pdf
http://www3.alpa.org/publications/Fl...he_Line_II.pdf
10-06-2016, 05:45 PM
#28
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Without a good scope clause the mainline company can go buy e190 or c-series and give them to the regionals[/QUOTE]
This is what REALLY scares me. Particularly the C Series Aircraft. I believe there is probably a limit to the economics of e170's moving forward. But what is going to happen when it comes time to replace the 737-700 and smaller Airbus aircraft????
This is a huge job security issue, particularly for those of us on the lower half of the seniority list.
This is what REALLY scares me. Particularly the C Series Aircraft. I believe there is probably a limit to the economics of e170's moving forward. But what is going to happen when it comes time to replace the 737-700 and smaller Airbus aircraft????
This is a huge job security issue, particularly for those of us on the lower half of the seniority list.
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