Bailing for greener pastures?
10-05-2016, 09:30 AM
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For anyone under 40, you are leaving a lot of money and time on the table by staying if you can get on with DAL, UAL, FedEx, and even SWA. Do a simple spread sheet. If history is an indicator, this management will drag this out as long as they can and the union will buckle under pressure. I hope that I'm completely off.
10-05-2016, 06:39 PM
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Guess what happened next.
Lokks like a replay only with VX as the whipsaw.
10-05-2016, 07:31 PM
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Bailing for greener pastures?
People keep talking about the company wanting concessions. Right now they are only stuck on section 2 of the TPA which governs how long we have to negotiate a JCBA. It has nothing to do with what's in the JCBA. I'm not saying that AAG wouldn't want concessions but from talking to our MEC and LEC the issue is the speed at which we are required to negotiate the JCBA. We haven't even started negotiating the actual contract.
10-05-2016, 08:53 PM
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People keep talking about the company wanting concessions. Right now they are only stuck on section 2 of the TPA which governs how long we have to negotiate a JCBA. It has nothing to do with what's in the JCBA. I'm not saying that AAG wouldn't want concessions but from talking to our MEC and LEC the issue is the speed at which we are required to negotiate the JCBA. We haven't even started negotiating the actual contract.
Section 2 doesn't just spell out the length of time for JCBA but what sections are opened up. What I'm hearing is that management did NOT want to visit the section with scope. And when both Parties said no way management came back and said if we open up scope we open up every section for a give and take. Just what I'm hearing.
10-05-2016, 09:30 PM
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They are when Horizon gets brand new E175s that have the ability to fly the current routes of Virgin 319s, the leases of which are due up in the not too distant future. When Horizon lost the CR7s and had just Q400s, maybe scope wasn't as big a deal. But now with Horizon's largest aircraft order in history to get E175s, scope is (and/or should be) one of top issues.
10-05-2016, 10:15 PM
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The word concessions came from the email the MEC sent out. The last sentence.
Section 2 doesn't just spell out the length of time for JCBA but what sections are opened up. What I'm hearing is that management did NOT want to visit the section with scope. And when both Parties said no way management came back and said if we open up scope we open up every section for a give and take. Just what I'm hearing.
Section 2 doesn't just spell out the length of time for JCBA but what sections are opened up. What I'm hearing is that management did NOT want to visit the section with scope. And when both Parties said no way management came back and said if we open up scope we open up every section for a give and take. Just what I'm hearing.
10-06-2016, 08:09 AM
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The word concessions came from the email the MEC sent out. The last sentence.
Section 2 doesn't just spell out the length of time for JCBA but what sections are opened up. What I'm hearing is that management did NOT want to visit the section with scope. And when both Parties said no way management came back and said if we open up scope we open up every section for a give and take. Just what I'm hearing.
Section 2 doesn't just spell out the length of time for JCBA but what sections are opened up. What I'm hearing is that management did NOT want to visit the section with scope. And when both Parties said no way management came back and said if we open up scope we open up every section for a give and take. Just what I'm hearing.
I didn't realize that section 2 listed what sections are going to be discussed. It all makes more sense now.
10-06-2016, 08:21 AM
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This scope thing, trying to wrap my head around it (as an outsider). Scope would prevent AAG from flying RJs on traditionally Alaska Airlines routes? Basically preventing a creep of services to low cost carriers under the same colors as Alaska Airlines? What other sorts of things would having a scope clause protect against?
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