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11-18-2016, 09:21 PM

#101

PacNWflyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Browned on

A lot to be said about being able to fly for a hometown airline. I have too much vested into the current job or else I would jump at the chance to work and be based in my hometown of Seattle.

Shameful to hear some are not appreciating the PAC NW.

Shameful is a harsh word. The very fact that this thread exists is indicative that there are currently better options out there for some Alaska pilots. I grew up in the PNW, and personally do not miss the cold summers and dreary/damp/grey winters. Just a personal preference.

The grass is always greener. If you are flexible with where you call home, go to the airline that will pay the most over your career span. Simple as that.

11-20-2016, 10:27 AM

#102

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

The numbers are fairly accurate, plus or minus a couple here and there. Keeping in mind of course those numbers assume that everyone actually works all the way to 65. As the Delta guy above said, they are finding out that isn't the case. So in reality the numbers can (and in all likeliness) will be higher.

Not really much higher over time. If a pilot scheduled to retire in 2020 leaves in 2018 it adds a retirement to 2018 and drops a retirement from 2020.

11-20-2016, 02:52 PM

#103

ShyGuy

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Not really much higher over time. If a pilot scheduled to retire in 2020 leaves in 2018 it adds a retirement to 2018 and drops a retirement from 2020.

True! But also accounts for the ol timers Delta hires. I heard they hired a 61 yr old.

11-20-2016, 05:20 PM

#104

flyboycpa

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

True! But also accounts for the ol timers Delta hires. I heard they hired a 61 yr old.

He'll still upgrade and retire a Delta Captain!

11-20-2016, 09:45 PM

#105

Packrat

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Originally Posted by flyboycpa

He'll still upgrade and retire a Delta Captain!

Especially if he wants to fly the MD in JFK.

12-24-2016, 01:19 PM

#106

Going2Baja

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Originally Posted by OCCP

Alaska management must be about 10 years behind the game with scope and the mentality towards it. The real legacies are shrinking rj flying but Alaska still thinks rj's are the best thing since sliced bread.

Not only their lack of Scope (Horizon base in ANC) but their total lack of employee support (Horrible HR,) they will continue to loose not only pilots but other work forces to other carriers.

Baja.

12-24-2016, 02:34 PM

#107

OldFlyGuy

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Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

Fine, I'll take a stab at it.

All pay = 80 hours at the middle rate for time period of position

AS career -

1-10 737 FO: ($124)$119,040 * 10 = $1,190,400
11-30 737 CA: ($213)$204,480 * 20 = $4,089,600
Company 401k contribution (13.5%)= $712,800
Total career earnings = $5,992,800

DL career -

1-5 737 FO: ($126) $120,960 * 5 = $604,800
6-10 767 FO: ($147) $141,120 * 5 = $705,600
11-20 737 CA: ($218) $209,280 * 10 = $2,092,800
20 -25 767 CA: ($226) $216,960 * 5 = $1,084,800
26-30 777 CA: $(270) $259,200 * 5 = $1,296,000

Company 401k Contribution (15%) = $867,600
Total = $6,651,600

AS/DL Diff = $658,800

UA Career -

1-5 737 FO: ($136) $130,560 * 5 = $652,800
6-10 767 FO: ($165) $158,400 * 5 = $792,000
11-20 737 CA: ($246) $236,160 * 10 = $2,361,600
20 -25 767 CA: ($255) $244,800 * 5 = $1,224,000
26-30 777 CA: $(305) $292,800 * 5 = $1,464,000

401K(16%): $1,039,104
UA Total: $7,533,504

AS/UA diff = $1,540,704

Different strokes. Hometown airline etc works just fine for some. Some ONLY want to get "out of town" to somewhere different. Some have seen enough "long haul" in the service to be happy domestic only. It must be nice to be in an era where multiple job offers and massive retirements exist. I avoided long haul at DL a long time. Boy, that was dumb!! Biloxi or Munich? Duhh. 5 legs a day or 1? Duhh. As for the "numbers" game: Does Alaska have a profit sharing plan? That is potentially a lotta green over a career. I look at my career as a business. I want the most $ I can get for the least pain. Happy Holidays fellow flyers. OFG

05-29-2017, 09:09 AM

#108

squall line

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A friend just left for SWA last week.

05-29-2017, 10:00 AM

#109

OCCP

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Nice, Good for him!
How long was he at Alaska? He'll make a lot more money and have better schedules at swa, but movement will be pretty slow.

05-29-2017, 10:30 AM

#110

Klsytakesit

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Originally Posted by Browned on

Half the pilots/fa's don't live in nor want anything to do with the city or the people of Seattle. So the significant pay/benefit/work rule concessions that come with working for the "hometown airline" are getting old...The year 1 thru 7 people lose nothing by going with other options....