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11-09-2017, 06:51 PM
#271
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Alright, let's compare W2s. At $216/hr (12 year CA), we have line pilots at Alaskan make $300K with 12-14 days off on an average. This figure includes the PBP. Of course, this isn't your average pilot but they are just line pilots. At $251/hr, it can be high as $348K or more. How about 401k? Did VX have greater than 13.5%? Do you think that you would have ever negotiated $251/hr with VX management? Most of y'all are going to get 15% (2010 hires and later). Hate to sound like puzzle palace but was your total compensation better than Alaskan pilots? I would venture to guess not. A huge windfall for all y'all, for sure.
11-09-2017, 06:57 PM
#272
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 396
If I had 12-14 days off on average I would shoot myself in the face. Especially if it was to make only 300K including PBP. You should probably ask around a little just to get an accurate picture of where things stand.
As to the windfall, I beg to differ. There's more to it than payrates and let's face it...your trips suck, I've seen 'em. We can chat over a Seattle's Best latte sometime. It has been an eyeopener for many VA folks too over the last year talking to AS peeps. On my commutes I have been have stunned to learn just how hard it is to make money on your side without killing yourself. But I like to take it easy, me. Maybe some folks like flying 17 days a month.
How bout we focus on the important thing which is both sides have some really good stuff and bring a lot to the table. Time to focus on the future and finding a way to work as one to bring in a tide that lifts all the boats, eh?
As to the windfall, I beg to differ. There's more to it than payrates and let's face it...your trips suck, I've seen 'em. We can chat over a Seattle's Best latte sometime. It has been an eyeopener for many VA folks too over the last year talking to AS peeps. On my commutes I have been have stunned to learn just how hard it is to make money on your side without killing yourself. But I like to take it easy, me. Maybe some folks like flying 17 days a month.
How bout we focus on the important thing which is both sides have some really good stuff and bring a lot to the table. Time to focus on the future and finding a way to work as one to bring in a tide that lifts all the boats, eh?
You’re absolutely right about focusing on the future. Alaskan pilots have been dealt a bad hand. I hope that we can all accept our place in life and work together to achieve a fair SLI.
11-09-2017, 07:05 PM
#273
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 396
You are stoned......The only Alaska Captains that make that kind of money are the same group of two-bit VSA *****s that helped us get the deplorable contract that we now have. At 18 plus years with 11 in the left seat I have never earned more than 200K. Add the “year-long interest-free loan” to that and I hit just under 220K. No premium(ever), no open time pick up ,fly line value ,14 to 15 days off a month......That is the real story. And on top of that it is W2 over TAFB....and on that score we are in last place
As for making $300K, you are right. Premium/VSA crowd were who I was referring to. Pop some happy pills before you have a stroke there buddy.
11-09-2017, 10:21 PM
#274
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 171
You asked for W2s and you’ve received. True, our pairings and lines suck. Oh, and before you bring up PBS, know one thing. PBS will not work here as long as puzzle palace has a heart beat. From top down, all the way to crew planning and crew scheduling, they suck but you already knew that. I’m not here to divide and conquer like this management group but some of y’all VX brethrens act like VX was some career legacy or something. VX offered a great product but couldn’t turn a profit until last year. What’s the general consensus at VX? Do most of y’all feel that you’d be better off had VX stayed independent? Why do y’all think that your beloved CEO and shareholders sold the airline. Windfall? You betcha! No pilot at Alaskan wanted this merger. Truth hurts. I feel for the junior folks, especially junior FOs here at Alaskan. Sorry, I don’t sugar coat turd.
You’re absolutely right about focusing on the future. Alaskan pilots have been dealt a bad hand. I hope that we can all accept our place in life and work together to achieve a fair SLI.
You’re absolutely right about focusing on the future. Alaskan pilots have been dealt a bad hand. I hope that we can all accept our place in life and work together to achieve a fair SLI.
11-10-2017, 05:50 AM
#275
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As usual I was wrong. However, the approach you are taking with your fellow pilots is suspect. Assuming you are none of the above, than you failed to look hard at the airli e you hired on with. Alaska Airlines is an illusion propped up by pilots with egos. It will be refreshing to welcome hundreds of pilots to our ranks who are not vested in the “Illusion”. I look forward to it.
11-10-2017, 06:04 AM
#276
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 784
11-10-2017, 06:30 AM
#277
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11-10-2017, 07:55 AM
#279
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Captain
Posts: 89
When and how will seniorities be combined, ie dove tailed? What is Captain upgrade once seniorites are merged? Just curious.
11-10-2017, 08:30 AM
#280
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 396
I don’t think any VX pilot is on this forum bragging about how great VX is and how it’s on par with the legacies. I’ve noticed its out of defense from some of the AS guys talking about how VX won some sort of lottery with this acquisition. While AS had a contract and slightly better rates, it definitely wasn’t a jackpot. If Vx did win the lottery, it was off a $1 scratcher, not Mega Millions.
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