Senority List Integration from 2007 on......
05-16-2016, 08:24 AM
#171
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My impression is that AS Inflight would give them DoH, but that's just an opinion. I think that's what happened with the Jet America F/As.
05-16-2016, 09:02 AM
#172
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Baseball style has nothing to do with the number of arbitrators... it forces each MEC to essentially make "their best offer" and then someone (1-100 arbitrators) picks just one side in it's entirety without changes.
DAL/NWA was absolutely not baseball style arbitration. Both sides made typical case for why they deserved top spots (generalization) and then the arbitrator did an SLI based on arguments, taking some from DAL and some from NWA.
Baseball style would force each MEC to realize an equitable/plausible solution to it's own members, as not to risk outright losing with over demands. This would create much less hostility between the groups as grownups running the merger committees on each side would explain realities to their own constituencies vice promising the moon and blaming the other side/arbitrator when it didn't come to fruition.
As Pack said before, the threat is that mgmt would want to use the same process in negotiating contracts.
DAL/NWA was absolutely not baseball style arbitration. Both sides made typical case for why they deserved top spots (generalization) and then the arbitrator did an SLI based on arguments, taking some from DAL and some from NWA.
Baseball style would force each MEC to realize an equitable/plausible solution to it's own members, as not to risk outright losing with over demands. This would create much less hostility between the groups as grownups running the merger committees on each side would explain realities to their own constituencies vice promising the moon and blaming the other side/arbitrator when it didn't come to fruition.
As Pack said before, the threat is that mgmt would want to use the same process in negotiating contracts.
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05-16-2016, 09:13 AM
#173
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First of all virtually NOTHING from the NWA case or proposal was adopted in the NWA Delta ruling or award, second prepare for ratio with few modifications UAL being the largest divergence and that didn't appear to be that much of a variation...Ratio is the new one size fits all, for some it is good and for some of us it is a career destroyer.
Bottom line, they both sucked.
05-16-2016, 09:34 AM
#174
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Certainly, setting up a classic whipsaw. Its not past AS management to do that either. When they bought Jet America, they threatened the pilot group with shrinking Alaska and expanding Jet America if the pilots didn't accept a concessionary contract.
If you don't think they'd at least make the threat, check out what they just got finished doing to Horizon over the E175 flying.
If you don't think they'd at least make the threat, check out what they just got finished doing to Horizon over the E175 flying.
Has AS management pronounced themselves on their intentions in regards to the certificates?
05-16-2016, 09:47 AM
#175
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First of all virtually NOTHING from the NWA case or proposal was adopted in the NWA Delta ruling or award, second prepare for ratio with few modifications UAL being the largest divergence and that didn't appear to be that much of a variation...Ratio is the new one size fits all, for some it is good and for some of us it is a career destroyer.
If the VX pilots are substantially younger than their relative seniority counterparts, it will be good for them almost no matter how they are placed on the list, provided it is not strictly DOH. If you're junior and older than average at AS, it's going to suck no matter what.
05-16-2016, 11:30 AM
#176
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Kinda looks that way. History repeats its self. I have heard a lot of guys saying just keep them separate especially among the FA's. I know some pilots have even written Brad and seem to be willing to keep our current contract to do so. I think it may really be in the works with Ben's new promotion today, he will become the CEO of VX. Poof there goes our pay raise, and we will have no one to blame but our selves. Management will say, we only did what you asked for. If this is how it ends up management will be laughing all the way to the bank.
05-16-2016, 07:54 PM
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Kinda looks that way. History repeats its self. I have heard a lot of guys saying just keep them separate especially among the FA's. I know some pilots have even written Brad and seem to be willing to keep our current contract to do so. I think it may really be in the works with Ben's new promotion today, he will become the CEO of VX. Poof there goes our pay raise, and we will have no one to blame but our selves. Management will say, we only did what you asked for. If this is how it ends up management will be laughing all the way to the bank.
05-16-2016, 07:56 PM
#180
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