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Old 04-04-2016, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Singlecoil
That says single operating certificate under the Alaska Airlines name by Q1 2018. That is very significant. This would be a merger from the pilots' perspectives.
I found that interesting as well. Since neither contract (well one contract) forbid it, was wondering if this would be the first of ALK Holdings Group operating different airlines of different types.

But it does say SOC is the goal.
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I found that interesting as well. Since neither contract (well one contract) forbid it, was wondering if this would be the first of ALK Holdings Group operating different airlines of different types.

But it does say SOC is the goal.
Nope. For years AS operated MD-80s, an aircraft brought on the property via the JA merger. In fact, AS was slated to be the first MD-90 operator. That eventually fell through.

To be perfectly frank, the Boelng centricity of AS is now in question. An additional benefit of this merger puts pressure on Boeing to cut the price of the AS book using the threat of switching to the Airbus. Very clever, these Anglers.
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Old 04-04-2016, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by beancounter
I'm not disagreeing with you, but this is an acquisition, not a merger. For example AA merged with US as opposed to SW acquiring AirTran.
The nature of the corporate transaction does not affect the integration of pilot groups - unless there is fragmentation or sale of VA assets. It's still a merger of 2 ALPA represented groups if operated as a SOC. Delta "acquired" NWA as well. Big Q is do they integrate Airbus into the fleet, or sell them for slots on more 737's?

What would be more worrisome to me would be the nature of AK Scope and what that allows for an independent brand under the corporate umbrella. I think that is unlikely because this is probably in part a competitive move to keep SEA and the left coast AK dominant and dampen DAL's SEA expansion.

It will be interesting to see what DAL's response will be.......
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When is the last time AS furloughed?
2005-ish is what I remember.
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Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis
The nature of the corporate transaction does not affect the integration of pilot groups - unless there is fragmentation or sale of VA assets. It's still a merger of 2 ALPA represented groups if operated as a SOC. Delta "acquired" NWA as well. Big Q is do they integrate Airbus into the fleet, or sell them for slots on more 737's?

What would be more worrisome to me would be the nature of AK Scope and what that allows for an independent brand under the corporate umbrella. I think that is unlikely because this is probably in part a competitive move to keep SEA and the left coast AK dominant and dampen DAL's SEA expansion.

It will be interesting to see what DAL's response will be.......
DALs response will be to agree to take whatever castoff airbi that alk choses to dispose of ala Swa-AirTran merger
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Nope. For years AS operated MD-80s, an aircraft brought on the property via the JA merger. In fact, AS was slated to be the first MD-90 operator. That eventually fell through.

To be perfectly frank, the Boelng centricity of AS is now in question. An additional benefit of this merger puts pressure on Boeing to cut the price of the AS book using the threat of switching to the Airbus. Very clever, these Anglers.
Big whoop. Delta was an "all Boeing fleet" as a sales moniker until it wasn't right after the NWA merger. I think the manufacturers know their competition.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Nope. For years AS operated MD-80s, an aircraft brought on the property via the JA merger. In fact, AS was slated to be the first MD-90 operator. That eventually fell through
Not correct. AS had MD's of their own at the time of that merger and older 737's as well.
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Not correct. AS had MD's of their own at the time of that merger and older 737's as well.
True. My bad. I forgot AS was the launch customer for the MD-83.
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
2005-ish is what I remember.
I thought they had some in the 2008-2010 range when fuel spiked after age 65 passed.
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
2005-ish is what I remember.
We had pilots on furlough from 2009 until early 2012......
 
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