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Old 04-03-2016, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ORMtflyer
General question, does a merger or acquisition date ,with regards to contracts and/or ALPA, become effective when a company makes an announcement or after regulatory approval(various govt agencies depending on domestic, international etc) ?
I believe DOJ approval. Probably wrong though...
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Old 04-03-2016, 06:36 AM
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I hope it works out for them. They've been expanding as Delta tries to takeover SEA. They get SFO, LAX, and JFK. Risky, but given the battle with Delta probably a good move.
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
I believe DOJ approval. Probably wrong though...
Most of them (for Seniority List Integration) have been the announcement date. I think AA was the first one in a while where they used the actual consummation of the merger post-DOJ, due to there being doubt as to whether it was going to go through.
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What's the deal with the new subsidiary AAG just started? McGee air services? Could they buy VX and operate separately?
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
What's the deal with the new subsidiary AAG just started? McGee air services? Could they buy VX and operate separately?
They did the same thing with Jet America back in 1987. Ran them separately for a couple of years before finally merging them.
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
Date of hire is not really fair either because almost every Captain at VX would be knocked out of there seat. I believe upgrade at AS is around 9 years???
Not really. No bump, no flush would insure no VX Captain lost his seat unless he bids out of it. You're right about seat position integration though.

And straight DoH probably won't work either because while AS was stagnant, VX was hiring.

It'll probably be some kind of ratio deal where the senior guy on the VX list is addedAt the 2007 level followed by a number of AS guys followed by the next VX guy and so on down the list. That's what happens during the AS/JA merger in '87.

Whatever happens, there will be guys whose feelings get hurt.
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MSP7ERB
No way will Virgin get DOH. Likely that they just run it as 2 different airlines since it's a 737/320ish mix. It would be a total hose job for Alaska pilots to have to accept Virgin pilots into the list with on a date of hire basis.
They will probably integrate Captains with Captains, FOs with FOs. That's probably the likely way.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Only a guess, but as AS returns the jets, the pilots will be furloughed.
The upside to that is if they are furloughed, technically they'd have recall rights to AS as the company adds the Boeings they have on order.

That would be really bad news for the poolies.
If they were being operated on seperate certificates they wouldn't have recall rights to anything.
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:45 AM
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It's fun to speculate. After all, it's a web forum and some love to play CEO/big players here. I'll give my .02, for the sake of entertainment because after all, we are just line swines who move airplanes. We really don't know when our next crew meal is coming from, let alone interpret a crystal ball.
There are many ways the puzzle palace can slice and dice this deal, if it were to happen. Remember one thing..... the bottom line is the $$$, ALWAYS! Stability, growth, and most importantly profitability & earning potential are some of the key factors in keeping Wall Street happy. It's a game and this management group plays it well. I suggest that everyone keep their cool and chill out. Some will make out and some will feel like they got screwed but no one will completely lose out, IMHO. As evil and greedy this management appears to be, they are not stupid enough to cause turmoil within the different work groups. Remember the Benjamins!
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