Alaska nearing deal to acquire Virgin America
04-07-2016, 01:33 PM
#151
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Egos don't get out of the airline business because their baby is printing cash. If you aren't raking it in right now, you're in major trouble once economic conditions change, and they will. While US Air was a POS, it was still a merger, right? An acquisition is different. From what I read this is an acquisition, or does ALPA run the show on SLI regardless of M or A? That's the intent of my question more or less.
04-07-2016, 01:35 PM
#153
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Ya
Youd be p***ed off and then either have to live with the result or start a drive to vote out ALPA. Ask how that worked out for US Airways. Good luck
Youd be p***ed off and then either have to live with the result or start a drive to vote out ALPA. Ask how that worked out for US Airways. Good luck
04-07-2016, 02:58 PM
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Egos don't get out of the airline business because their baby is printing cash. If you aren't raking it in right now, you're in major trouble once economic conditions change, and they will. While US Air was a POS, it was still a merger, right? An acquisition is different. From what I read this is an acquisition, or does ALPA run the show on SLI regardless of M or A? That's the intent of my question more or less.
Regarding ALPA, a "merger" is used when two events exist
1) Both pilot groups are represented by ALPA
2) There is a reasonable probability that the flying will be integrated
So since both groups are ALPA and the flying will likely be integrated, the pilot lists will be "merged" according to the policy.
Remember the union wants to protect union jobs, so if AS management decides 4-5 years down the road to park all the VA airplanes, they will still have those pilots on the AS seniority list because the union wants to protect all the pilots jobs.
Even if AS fragments the flying as SW did with AT, those VA pilots are going to be AS pilots.
04-07-2016, 04:46 PM
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As a former QXer, I am well aware of what AAG does to their red headed step-child. I spent six years there before punching out and making a lateral move to another regional. All that I am stating is that from an arbitration standpoint, AS and VX are not on the same level that QX is. QX should not even be involved with their integration.
04-07-2016, 05:58 PM
#157
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I think we need to end the BS. Regionals exist to suppress wages. I think it is BS that 35 year employees at QX will be bumped by the parents and kids of Virgin employees off of Alaska flights. Is this the same arbitrator that awarded Alaska pilots 25% pay cuts? The industry is rigged against pilots, and pilots enable it. I don't expect a merger of Alaska and QX, but I expect to be treated like an employee of the air group.
04-07-2016, 06:23 PM
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Lots more who agree with me.
04-07-2016, 08:37 PM
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This ain't USAir. I'd take my chances with a in house union at this point as this MEC has traditionally been very weak, rolling over like weak dogs at the first sign of conflict. If they screw us on this I will join the drive to vote them out.
Lots more who agree with me.
Lots more who agree with me.
04-08-2016, 01:02 AM
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The investment banking world of Mergers and Acquisitions, have different definitions of the word "merger" than the ALPA policy.
Regarding ALPA, a "merger" is used when two events exist
1) Both pilot groups are represented by ALPA
2) There is a reasonable probability that the flying will be integrated
So since both groups are ALPA and the flying will likely be integrated, the pilot lists will be "merged" according to the policy.
Remember the union wants to protect union jobs, so if AS management decides 4-5 years down the road to park all the VA airplanes, they will still have those pilots on the AS seniority list because the union wants to protect all the pilots jobs.
Even if AS fragments the flying as SW did with AT, those VA pilots are going to be AS pilots.
Regarding ALPA, a "merger" is used when two events exist
1) Both pilot groups are represented by ALPA
2) There is a reasonable probability that the flying will be integrated
So since both groups are ALPA and the flying will likely be integrated, the pilot lists will be "merged" according to the policy.
Remember the union wants to protect union jobs, so if AS management decides 4-5 years down the road to park all the VA airplanes, they will still have those pilots on the AS seniority list because the union wants to protect all the pilots jobs.
Even if AS fragments the flying as SW did with AT, those VA pilots are going to be AS pilots.
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