ExperimentalAB

If they fly all those 50 widebodies SEA to GEG, then yes…

TheBear

Honestly, who cares where they fly? As long the company is raking in cash and the pilots are getting fairly compensated. No dog in this fight btw.

Carebear

If those widebodies go GEG-SEA-NRT and are full, is that a bad thing? If you can sell 4500 seats a day with 20 departures from one city and make a profit, who cares? United would fly their 787 from IAD-ORD, or ORD to HOU and their 747 from SFO to DEN. You’ll probably see widebodies flying from SEA-PDX too. As long as your paycheck clears every week and you’re paid industry rates, then they can buy Metroliners and operate them from SEA-FLL for all I care.

ShyGuy

Some people (unfortunately, seemingly ex-VX on APC) are still POed about the 2016 merger and subsequent results. Hence the widebody GEG-SEA comments. There's no logic behind that statement. Who cares? Delta flew 767s from ATL to JAX. There is no problem as long as you're compensated appropriately.

ExperimentalAB

I love SEA-GEG. But I do want a management that can see beyond that because we were, before this announcement, in serious danger of becoming incapable of competing anywhere outside of the PNW.

That’s precisely what I did not say. GEG-SEA-NRT is awesome.

Another guy that can’t read context. See above comments, if you can understand those?

ImperialxRat

When ExpressJet closed their doors I got my buddy a meet and greet with an Alaska chief pilot... and he told my buddy that they really wanted 1000TPIC to be competitive. My friend had 9000TT and was an ERJ145 CA, but did not have 1000TPIC. He didn't get offered an interview and went to Spirit and now is at United.

My training event less than a year after that, I was transitioning from Airbus to Boeing and was paired with a new hire who had zero 121 time, very low multi time, and his turbine time was in a Caravan.

I don't know what my point is, other than that sometimes things here make zero sense and it's a pain to get through to people when every person involved in hiring is looking for something different. To the Alaska guy with 2500TT, reach back out to your contacts and gently remind them you're still interested. 121 time is not a requirement to work here... plenty of people have come straight from military, corporate, charter, fractional, etc.

Disappointment

This is what the Hawaiian guys need to realize, Alaskan management has zero experience buying a distressed company and turning it around, expecially one that operates outside the PNW. This is gonna be a rough ride.

They'er facing competition and a whole new world.

ShyGuy

I see an airline pilot take exception to what routes a Dreamliner gets sent to. It's the same tiring argument when they mentioned the same topic, a MAX9 flying GEG to SEA. Why get wound up over the purchase of HAL? First the complaining is this place has no vision, they don't see beyond the PNW, they closed NYC and parked the Buses, etc. Now they actually purchase Hawaiian to be more relevant, to compete better, and the complaints still continue?


Your statement of what Hawaiian pilots need to realize is basically FUD.

Akamai

That’s one of the best things about HAL, is that we have historically had choices to fly a widebody interisland, transpacific, or international. We had 330 USPS flights for a few years from HNL-OGG-HNL (20 minute flight) and they were very senior! We also had 767 flights interisland as well.


Everyone likes widebody pay, but some prefer to stay in the same time zone, some prefer only daytime flying, and some prefer to experience different cultures/food and more efficient longer segment flying.

ExperimentalAB

You’re even less brilliant than I thought. Get yourself a tutor and read my posts again. I’ll wait.