Alaska Air Hiring
08-22-2022, 05:10 PM
#6841
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 1,233
So this is what APA says they are asking for, it’s what we are asking for, what UA and DA are asking for, yet so many of you are so disconnected or ignorant you think there is some super deal coming. Look closely at those numbers below, that’s the industry! Eyes wide open, a lot of you are clueless!
278 + 10% = $305 DOS
+5% = $321 2023
+5% = $337 2024
NOW WB PAY is I think confusing many of you
$376 DOS, $395 2023, $415 2024…
Lonesomesky’s list… A lot of that will be missing, You will solidly be a no vote. Maybe that is your wish list but not the polled AS pilot wish list… Scope, Union controlled PBS, more flexibility, holiday pay, day guarantee, the pay below, schmuck clause, per diem bump, bonus, scheduling integrity incentives.
And you are not the bravest pilots of the last 90 years, you are just lucky, basic supply and demand gets you this contract, not the loud, angry, clueless 50… they have nothing, they will always have nothing, but they are miserable!
It’s almost done… It will pass with a 70+ % yes vote
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The existing contract became amendable in January 2020. APA has proposed a contract with raises of 10% in the first year, 5% in the second, and 5% in the third, plus retroactive pay.
Sicher visited Charlotte on Thursday for a meeting of APA leaders. “In order to create schedule certainty and reliability in the fall and winter holiday schedules, management needs to get a tentative agreement in the next 30 to 60 days,” he said in an interview. “Right now, things are moving.”
Pilots are in high demand today. While the major airlines all say they have no problem hiring pilots, smaller airlines with lower pay say turnover is high. In June, American CEO Robert Isom offered a 17% pay raise. This disrupted negotiations at United, where pilots had been voting on a 14.5% pay raise. The 17% pay raise would have made American and United pilots even at the conclusion of the contracts, Sicher said.
278 + 10% = $305 DOS
+5% = $321 2023
+5% = $337 2024
NOW WB PAY is I think confusing many of you
$376 DOS, $395 2023, $415 2024…
Lonesomesky’s list… A lot of that will be missing, You will solidly be a no vote. Maybe that is your wish list but not the polled AS pilot wish list… Scope, Union controlled PBS, more flexibility, holiday pay, day guarantee, the pay below, schmuck clause, per diem bump, bonus, scheduling integrity incentives.
And you are not the bravest pilots of the last 90 years, you are just lucky, basic supply and demand gets you this contract, not the loud, angry, clueless 50… they have nothing, they will always have nothing, but they are miserable!
It’s almost done… It will pass with a 70+ % yes vote
——————————————————————-——-
The existing contract became amendable in January 2020. APA has proposed a contract with raises of 10% in the first year, 5% in the second, and 5% in the third, plus retroactive pay.
Sicher visited Charlotte on Thursday for a meeting of APA leaders. “In order to create schedule certainty and reliability in the fall and winter holiday schedules, management needs to get a tentative agreement in the next 30 to 60 days,” he said in an interview. “Right now, things are moving.”
Pilots are in high demand today. While the major airlines all say they have no problem hiring pilots, smaller airlines with lower pay say turnover is high. In June, American CEO Robert Isom offered a 17% pay raise. This disrupted negotiations at United, where pilots had been voting on a 14.5% pay raise. The 17% pay raise would have made American and United pilots even at the conclusion of the contracts, Sicher said.
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 08-22-2022 at 05:48 PM.
08-22-2022, 06:06 PM
#6842
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 257
So this is what APA says they are asking for, it’s what we are asking for, what UA and DA are asking for, yet so many of you are so disconnected or ignorant you think there is some super deal coming. Look closely at those numbers below, that’s the industry! Eyes wide open, a lot of you are clueless!
278 + 10% = $305 DOS
+5% = $321 2023
+5% = $337 2024
NOW WB PAY is I think confusing many of you
$376 DOS, $395 2023, $415 2024…
Lonesomesky’s list… A lot of that will be missing, You will solidly be a no vote. Maybe that is your wish list but not the polled AS pilot wish list… Scope, Union controlled PBS, more flexibility, holiday pay, day guarantee, the pay below, schmuck clause, per diem bump, bonus, scheduling integrity incentives.
And you are not the bravest pilots of the last 90 years, you are just lucky, basic supply and demand gets you this contract, not the loud, angry, clueless 50… they have nothing, they will always have nothing, but they are miserable!
It’s almost done… It will pass with a 70+ % yes vote
——————————————————————-——-
The existing contract became amendable in January 2020. APA has proposed a contract with raises of 10% in the first year, 5% in the second, and 5% in the third, plus retroactive pay.
Sicher visited Charlotte on Thursday for a meeting of APA leaders. “In order to create schedule certainty and reliability in the fall and winter holiday schedules, management needs to get a tentative agreement in the next 30 to 60 days,” he said in an interview. “Right now, things are moving.”
Pilots are in high demand today. While the major airlines all say they have no problem hiring pilots, smaller airlines with lower pay say turnover is high. In June, American CEO Robert Isom offered a 17% pay raise. This disrupted negotiations at United, where pilots had been voting on a 14.5% pay raise. The 17% pay raise would have made American and United pilots even at the conclusion of the contracts, Sicher said.
278 + 10% = $305 DOS
+5% = $321 2023
+5% = $337 2024
NOW WB PAY is I think confusing many of you
$376 DOS, $395 2023, $415 2024…
Lonesomesky’s list… A lot of that will be missing, You will solidly be a no vote. Maybe that is your wish list but not the polled AS pilot wish list… Scope, Union controlled PBS, more flexibility, holiday pay, day guarantee, the pay below, schmuck clause, per diem bump, bonus, scheduling integrity incentives.
And you are not the bravest pilots of the last 90 years, you are just lucky, basic supply and demand gets you this contract, not the loud, angry, clueless 50… they have nothing, they will always have nothing, but they are miserable!
It’s almost done… It will pass with a 70+ % yes vote
——————————————————————-——-
The existing contract became amendable in January 2020. APA has proposed a contract with raises of 10% in the first year, 5% in the second, and 5% in the third, plus retroactive pay.
Sicher visited Charlotte on Thursday for a meeting of APA leaders. “In order to create schedule certainty and reliability in the fall and winter holiday schedules, management needs to get a tentative agreement in the next 30 to 60 days,” he said in an interview. “Right now, things are moving.”
Pilots are in high demand today. While the major airlines all say they have no problem hiring pilots, smaller airlines with lower pay say turnover is high. In June, American CEO Robert Isom offered a 17% pay raise. This disrupted negotiations at United, where pilots had been voting on a 14.5% pay raise. The 17% pay raise would have made American and United pilots even at the conclusion of the contracts, Sicher said.
08-22-2022, 07:21 PM
#6843
What's a weekend?
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Widget FO
Posts: 465
This pilot group and union has done more for its self in the last year, than all other previous pilot groups and MECs in the airlines 90 year history. It's been pretty darn well established at this point that both the union and the pilot group aren't playing around. I think it is important to manage expectations, but I also think it is important to actually listen to the MEC podcasts and communication that comes out. They are not going to bring us an AIP to vote on that doesn't meet the groups expectations. The MEC is all too aware that UA's TA was a disaster but a large part of that wad due to the rumor mill and mismanaged expectations.
Economic packages are being passed across both sides of the table, and the MEC has said almost verbatim that our needs and concerns have been met on the major issues we have voiced (like scope, scheduling, reserve etc.). I really encourage you all to listen to the podcasts. Remain vigilant but also I think it is fair to look at this glass half full and realize that the company obviously did a stark 180 and actually came to the table in a meaningful way, and that hopefully this is going to come to an end soon.
Economic packages are being passed across both sides of the table, and the MEC has said almost verbatim that our needs and concerns have been met on the major issues we have voiced (like scope, scheduling, reserve etc.). I really encourage you all to listen to the podcasts. Remain vigilant but also I think it is fair to look at this glass half full and realize that the company obviously did a stark 180 and actually came to the table in a meaningful way, and that hopefully this is going to come to an end soon.
08-22-2022, 08:45 PM
#6844
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 1,233
So, how many pilot contracts historically pass by greater then 70%? Seems you are a very intelligent and highly informed influencer, so that should be an easy question for you to answer🤔… maybe if that is too hard for you, try listing just a few… Please no regional inclusions 😂
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 08-22-2022 at 09:20 PM.
08-22-2022, 08:54 PM
#6845
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 257
So, how many pilot contracts historically pass by greater the 70%? Seems you are a very intelligent and highly informed influencer, so that should be an easy question for you to answer🤔… maybe if that is to hard for you, try listing just a few… Please no regional inclusions 😂
08-22-2022, 09:37 PM
#6846
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 39
So, how many pilot contracts historically pass by greater then 70%? Seems you are a very intelligent and highly informed influencer, so that should be an easy question for you to answer🤔… maybe if that is too hard for you, try listing just a few… Please no regional inclusions 😂
Pay: Capt $401. FO $284. @ 81 hr monthly guarantee
A Plan: $139,500/yr
Scope: Very strong limits.
Vacation: 5 weeks/yr ( if you put 2 weeks in any month, you can take the entire month off )
Understand Alaska is a “smaller” company & will never pay or treat you as DL, UA, FedEx or UPS.
08-22-2022, 10:07 PM
#6847
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 910
UPS just passed with 97% participation & 90% YES votes.
Pay: Capt $401. FO $284. @ 81 hr monthly guarantee
A Plan: $139,500/yr
Scope: Very strong limits.
Vacation: 5 weeks/yr ( if you put 2 weeks in any month, you can take the entire month off )
Understand Alaska is a “smaller” company & will never pay or treat you as DL, UA, FedEx or UPS.
Pay: Capt $401. FO $284. @ 81 hr monthly guarantee
A Plan: $139,500/yr
Scope: Very strong limits.
Vacation: 5 weeks/yr ( if you put 2 weeks in any month, you can take the entire month off )
Understand Alaska is a “smaller” company & will never pay or treat you as DL, UA, FedEx or UPS.
08-23-2022, 04:22 AM
#6848
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,992
UPS just passed with 97% participation & 90% YES votes.
Pay: Capt $401. FO $284. @ 81 hr monthly guarantee
A Plan: $139,500/yr
Scope: Very strong limits.
Vacation: 5 weeks/yr ( if you put 2 weeks in any month, you can take the entire month off )
Understand Alaska is a “smaller” company & will never pay or treat you as DL, UA, FedEx or UPS.
Pay: Capt $401. FO $284. @ 81 hr monthly guarantee
A Plan: $139,500/yr
Scope: Very strong limits.
Vacation: 5 weeks/yr ( if you put 2 weeks in any month, you can take the entire month off )
Understand Alaska is a “smaller” company & will never pay or treat you as DL, UA, FedEx or UPS.
Also, frankly, their planes make more money than pax planes.
08-23-2022, 06:17 AM
#6849
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 677
Line pilots never saw the data, but do you really believe this current union leadership is being less than forthcoming with the pilots? Healthy skepticism is good, but based on the union's efforts at being as open and as communicative as the situation allows, I think they're being straight.
We could wait for Delta... Do you feel lucky?
Last edited by All Bizniz; 08-23-2022 at 06:29 AM.
08-23-2022, 11:15 AM
#6850
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 910
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