Originally Posted by MinRest

This pilot group and union has done more for its self in the last year, than all other previous pilot groups and MECs in the airlines 90 year history. It's been pretty darn well established at this point that both the union and the pilot group aren't playing around. I think it is important to manage expectations, but I also think it is important to actually listen to the MEC podcasts and communication that comes out. They are not going to bring us an AIP to vote on that doesn't meet the groups expectations. The MEC is all too aware that UA's TA was a disaster but a large part of that wad due to the rumor mill and mismanaged expectations.

Originally Posted by flyprdu

You had me until this point. The Tumi TA was shot down not because expectations were spun too high, but because there were some legitimately bad concessions in that deal.

Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.

I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.

Originally Posted by MinRest

This pilot group and union has done more for its self in the last year, than all other previous pilot groups and MECs in the airlines 90 year history. It's been pretty darn well established at this point that both the union and the pilot group aren't playing around. I think it is important to manage expectations, but I also think it is important to actually listen to the MEC podcasts and communication that comes out. They are not going to bring us an AIP to vote on that doesn't meet the groups expectations. The MEC is all too aware that UA's TA was a disaster but a large part of that wad due to the rumor mill and mismanaged expectations.

Economic packages are being passed across both sides of the table, and the MEC has said almost verbatim that our needs and concerns have been met on the major issues we have voiced (like scope, scheduling, reserve etc.). I really encourage you all to listen to the podcasts. Remain vigilant but also I think it is fair to look at this glass half full and realize that the company obviously did a stark 180 and actually came to the table in a meaningful way, and that hopefully this is going to come to an end soon.

Originally Posted by flyprdu

You had me until this point. The Tumi TA was shot down not because expectations were spun too high, but because there were some legitimately bad concessions in that deal.

Airline pilots have more leverage now than at any point in our careers. We should be expecting a lot. I'm expecting a giant leap towards parity in this Alaska TA. I'm expecting an air tight contract that removes all of the Alaska-isms that leave us open to abuse, or big compensation if they do.

I'm glad that we're doing more than ever in Alaska's history. It still might not be enough. And waiting for the others to TA first would have helped that cause.

Originally Posted by All Bizniz

Social and familial ties are very important to many. This is not a one size fits all thing.

Btw, it's no fun uprooting your family to move to a new base, only to have that base close down a few years later.

Some would rather not chase bases.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Deliberately asking to stall negotiations to see what United, AA, and/or DL get first is a really bad take. If we get what we are asking, then there’s no reason to wait.


There is no scenario I see where the big 3 pilots “accept” lower pay than what Alaska pays. Put another way, there’s a decent chance AS pay falls short of newer big 3 pay. The question is how much, and what the pay review accomplishes in a couple years.

Originally Posted by All Bizniz

who cares what others get, .......right?