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Old 08-15-2022, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Vdrive
Question; will Alaska pilots ever get a contract that is comparable to UA, DL?
In regards to pay, retirement, scope & scheduling.

( obviously, never with FedEx or UPS )

If not, why would anyone apply there?

Asking for a friend………..
This is from last month but hopefully indicative of where the negotiations are going:

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Old 08-15-2022, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Vdrive
Question; will Alaska pilots ever get a contract that is comparable to UA, DL?
In regards to pay, retirement, scope & scheduling.

( obviously, never with FedEx or UPS )

If not, why would anyone apply there?

Asking for a friend………..
The answer is bases. Alaska is the only airline with bases in PDX and ANC. Also in SEA the only options are Alaska or DAL.
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Old 08-15-2022, 10:52 AM
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🤭🤔 really ? Try a 40% independent, 34% HA, 25% UA, and a less then 1% chance of AA

Maybe stay away from any betting tables!
Yeah… I do.

Also…. That’s a MIGHTY shift from some sort of UAL deal by Nov. Here’s a number…. 99%….. Your greatest predictive probability is now for absolutely zero change, which falls in line with both the history of ALK as well as what 99% of us on here as well as the rank and file would’ve predicted.
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Old 08-15-2022, 12:41 PM
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Have had an app in for a few months. Currently a 135 Captain on a light jet, sitting at about 2,100 TT with 800 jet, 665 of that PIC. Worried my very low TT is holding me back, any guys getting picked up sub 2,500? I imagine trying to secure a meet and greet would be the way to go?
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Old 08-15-2022, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Vdrive
Question; will Alaska pilots ever get a contract that is comparable to UA, DL?
In regards to pay, retirement, scope & scheduling.

( obviously, never with FedEx or UPS )

If not, why would anyone apply there?

Asking for a friend………..
Obviously, Never🙄… Pretty stupid question. Go to FDX or UPS, everyone there is happy.

Flying under our old contract at Alaska:
I drive to work every day
Work daytime hours
have a fully funded A-plan for my retirement
Have worked without furlough for 20+ years w/o scope
8/5/22 check gross for 2022 so far is 331,XXX
Dude when we get a new contract shortly, it’s gonna be even worse. This place is terrible, go somewhere else!

People at the same airlines have different careers, this is not as cut and dry as you think. There is no, one size fits all. A lot of parity is coming to this industry. Timing will always be very important. If you don’t live on the west coast though, there are way better options then Alaska Airlines for you right now. If you live in one of our bases, I bet you will be ok!
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Old 08-15-2022, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Obviously, Never… Pretty stupid question. Go to FDX or UPS, everyone there is happy.



Flying under our old contract at Alaska:

I drive to work every day

Work daytime hours

have a fully funded A-plan for my retirement

Have worked without furlough for 20+ years w/o scope

8/5/22 check gross for 2022 so far is 331,XXX

Dude when we get a new contract shortly, it’s gonna be even worse. This place is terrible, go somewhere else!



People at the same airlines have different careers, this is not as cut and dry as you think. There is no, one size fits all. A lot of parity is coming to this industry. Timing will always be very important. If you don’t live on the west coast though, there are way better options then Alaska Airlines for you right now. If you live in one of our bases, I bet you will be ok!
So somebody would apply to Alaskan because of what your arrogant a$$ gets under old contract? A-plan? Are you serious?

You know the difference between you and the rest of us? We look at a mirror and see us, then a window and see the rest of the world. You can't tell the difference between the two.

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Old 08-15-2022, 01:10 PM
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Yeah… I do.

Also…. That’s a MIGHTY shift from some sort of UAL deal by Nov. Here’s a number…. 99%….. Your greatest predictive probability is now for absolutely zero change, which falls in line with both the history of ALK as well as what 99% of us on here as well as the rank and file would’ve predicted.
Sorry, I am just telling you what I know, have seen, or suspect. I don’t sugarcoat, just give you what I got. WH, DOJ, and the DOT are hostile to any airline industry consolidation. There is still a relatively strong chance of UA or HA, but yes slightly more likely is independence. This industry is trying to gets its legs back underneath, post Covid. Things are definitely very dynamic, I think “zero change” always has the highest probability at a mature company. November will be here before you know it. We should have a contract, and that river card will turn, hoping for the best for all of us.
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Originally Posted by ExFokkerFlyer
So somebody would apply to Alaskan because of what your arrogant a$$ gets under old contract? A-plan? Are you serious?

You know the difference between you and the rest of us? We look at a mirror and see us, then a window and see the rest of the world. You can't tell the difference between the two.

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You missed my point. People can have totally different careers, a few numbers apart, at the same airline. Everyone will not always have the same career. I think you will be looking a lot better in your mirror very soon.
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Old 08-15-2022, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Sorry, I am just telling you what I know, have seen, or suspect. I don’t sugarcoat, just give you what I got. WH, DOJ, and the DOT are hostile to any airline industry consolidation. There is still a relatively strong chance of UA or HA, but yes slightly more likely is independence. This industry is trying to gets its legs back underneath, post Covid. Things are definitely very dynamic, I think “zero change” always has the highest probability at a mature company. November will be here before you know it. We should have a contract, and that river card will turn, hoping for the best for all of us.
😂 United was pretty much a done deal a few months ago. Before that WN was a done deal. Then, BM was wearing a Hawaiian hat, so that obviously means HA is a done deal. Too funny. One thing I can always count on is a good story. Another thing I can always count on is none of what you say coming true.
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Old 08-15-2022, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Obviously, Never🙄… Pretty stupid question. Go to FDX or UPS, everyone there is happy.

Flying under our old contract at Alaska:
I drive to work every day
Work daytime hours
have a fully funded A-plan for my retirement
Have worked without furlough for 20+ years w/o scope
8/5/22 check gross for 2022 so far is 331,XXX
Dude when we get a new contract shortly, it’s gonna be even worse. This place is terrible, go somewhere else!

People at the same airlines have different careers, this is not as cut and dry as you think. There is no, one size fits all. A lot of parity is coming to this industry. Timing will always be very important. If you don’t live on the west coast though, there are way better options then Alaska Airlines for you right now. If you live in one of our bases, I bet you will be ok!
Are you hearing any updates on contract progress? Seems like the union is slightly hinting at what you have been saying timeline wise.
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