Alaska Air Hiring
07-10-2022, 07:02 AM
#6512
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 117
07-10-2022, 07:45 AM
#6513
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,069
Dude come on in, the water is fine. Too many people on here that have nothing better to do but complain. We’re a contract away from better work rules, that is coming in short time. Is it over due? Yes, but it’s coming. Otherwise it’s a great place to work with really good people.
Reminds me of that old joke, that Brazil is the country of the future…and always will be.
07-10-2022, 08:51 AM
#6514
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
Think about it this way... 96% of the pilots vote on strike authorization, 99% vote yes. Nearly 1500 pilots picket on their day off, almost half the pilots on the seniority list. If it really was a great place to work, would this happen? COULD this happen?
Just a few years ago it very much was an "us vs them" pilot group. We didn't mesh well and much of the time just didn't take the time to try to get get along. That is different now, and a good thing. But why?
At least in part it's the realization of the shoddy contract we work under. Also the complete lack of respect our superiors show towards us, at least until recently when they finally came to the table.
Yeah, we have a cohesive pilot group now. But that doesn't write my checks or help me get time off for an event with my kids.
Some of the younger pilots I've flown with are just so excited to be flying here. Fine, good for them. Really. But when you've been around a while (25 years in 121) and maybe have a house, few kids, wife or two... it comes down to one thing. It's a job.
It's not what you are or who you are, it's simply what you do. And when you look around at your coworkers and see how hard they are working to keep everything together through reserve, training (3 month footprint???), commuting, horrible schedules, etc... you realize there is very definitely something wrong here. This contract might be a start, but only if something that has rarely happened at Alaska Airlines in it's history happens... the company has to treat us like our peers and not make us give them the "Alaska discount". I'm not hopeful..
The union is working hard and I support them, but it's a steep path they are try to forge.
Many folks are leaving for these reasons and many more. Hard to understand why people would simply choose to ignore that. Stepping stone maybe, but even then...
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Just a few years ago it very much was an "us vs them" pilot group. We didn't mesh well and much of the time just didn't take the time to try to get get along. That is different now, and a good thing. But why?
At least in part it's the realization of the shoddy contract we work under. Also the complete lack of respect our superiors show towards us, at least until recently when they finally came to the table.
Yeah, we have a cohesive pilot group now. But that doesn't write my checks or help me get time off for an event with my kids.
Some of the younger pilots I've flown with are just so excited to be flying here. Fine, good for them. Really. But when you've been around a while (25 years in 121) and maybe have a house, few kids, wife or two... it comes down to one thing. It's a job.
It's not what you are or who you are, it's simply what you do. And when you look around at your coworkers and see how hard they are working to keep everything together through reserve, training (3 month footprint???), commuting, horrible schedules, etc... you realize there is very definitely something wrong here. This contract might be a start, but only if something that has rarely happened at Alaska Airlines in it's history happens... the company has to treat us like our peers and not make us give them the "Alaska discount". I'm not hopeful..
The union is working hard and I support them, but it's a steep path they are try to forge.
Many folks are leaving for these reasons and many more. Hard to understand why people would simply choose to ignore that. Stepping stone maybe, but even then...
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07-10-2022, 09:56 AM
#6515
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Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 98
Think about it this way... 96% of the pilots vote on strike authorization, 99% vote yes. Nearly 1500 pilots picket on their day off, almost half the pilots on the seniority list. If it really was a great place to work, would this happen? COULD this happen?
Just a few years ago it very much was an "us vs them" pilot group. We didn't mesh well and much of the time just didn't take the time to try to get get along. That is different now, and a good thing. But why?
At least in part it's the realization of the shoddy contract we work under. Also the complete lack of respect our superiors show towards us, at least until recently when they finally came to the table.
Yeah, we have a cohesive pilot group now. But that doesn't write my checks or help me get time off for an event with my kids.
Some of the younger pilots I've flown with are just so excited to be flying here. Fine, good for them. Really. But when you've been around a while (25 years in 121) and maybe have a house, few kids, wife or two... it comes down to one thing. It's a job.
It's not what you are or who you are, it's simply what you do. And when you look around at your coworkers and see how hard they are working to keep everything together through reserve, training (3 month footprint???), commuting, horrible schedules, etc... you realize there is very definitely something wrong here. This contract might be a start, but only if something that has rarely happened at Alaska Airlines in it's history happens... the company has to treat us like our peers and not make us give them the "Alaska discount". I'm not hopeful..
The union is working hard and I support them, but it's a steep path they are try to forge.
Many folks are leaving for these reasons and many more. Hard to understand why people would simply choose to ignore that. Stepping stone maybe, but even then...
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Just a few years ago it very much was an "us vs them" pilot group. We didn't mesh well and much of the time just didn't take the time to try to get get along. That is different now, and a good thing. But why?
At least in part it's the realization of the shoddy contract we work under. Also the complete lack of respect our superiors show towards us, at least until recently when they finally came to the table.
Yeah, we have a cohesive pilot group now. But that doesn't write my checks or help me get time off for an event with my kids.
Some of the younger pilots I've flown with are just so excited to be flying here. Fine, good for them. Really. But when you've been around a while (25 years in 121) and maybe have a house, few kids, wife or two... it comes down to one thing. It's a job.
It's not what you are or who you are, it's simply what you do. And when you look around at your coworkers and see how hard they are working to keep everything together through reserve, training (3 month footprint???), commuting, horrible schedules, etc... you realize there is very definitely something wrong here. This contract might be a start, but only if something that has rarely happened at Alaska Airlines in it's history happens... the company has to treat us like our peers and not make us give them the "Alaska discount". I'm not hopeful..
The union is working hard and I support them, but it's a steep path they are try to forge.
Many folks are leaving for these reasons and many more. Hard to understand why people would simply choose to ignore that. Stepping stone maybe, but even then...
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My point is y’all act like this is the only place with issues. We’re all fighting for something right now, some just more In the trenches than others.
People get all balled up on here, and I see them come to work like that. Must just be a miserable existence is all i’m saying. It’s pathetic how someone says one small good thing about the place and they get ripped a new *********. Have you read how much complaining is going on over on the Delta & United boards too?
07-10-2022, 10:47 AM
#6516
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 658
I'm glad for you that you have more idealism than experience... Enjoy that while it lasts. I remember having similar thoughts about my first strike vote at a different airline many years ago, until it became apparent that a strike vote does NOT, in fact, guarantee any positive outcome, let alone "soon."
07-10-2022, 10:49 AM
#6517
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Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 98
I'm glad for you that you have more idealism than experience... Enjoy that while it lasts. I remember having similar thoughts about my first strike vote at a different airline many years ago, until it became apparent that a strike vote does NOT, in fact, guarantee any positive outcome, let alone "soon."
07-10-2022, 10:52 AM
#6518
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
My point is the sheer numbers! It's not a few hundred Delta pilots out of 10k pilots. It was HALF. Roughly 95% over all voted to strike. Both of those instances set records. Does that mean its a good place to work? For some maybe, likely those that don't know any better, but arguably for most... no.
Other airlines are picketing, yes. But no other company has the overwhelming numbers (by percentage) of participants in voting or picketing.
If that doesn't say something about the working conditions I don't know what will.
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Other airlines are picketing, yes. But no other company has the overwhelming numbers (by percentage) of participants in voting or picketing.
If that doesn't say something about the working conditions I don't know what will.
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07-10-2022, 11:20 AM
#6519
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Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 98
My point is the sheer numbers! It's not a few hundred Delta pilots out of 10k pilots. It was HALF. Roughly 95% over all voted to strike. Both of those instances set records. Does that mean its a good place to work? For some maybe, likely those that don't know any better, but arguably for most... no.
Other airlines are picketing, yes. But no other company has the overwhelming numbers (by percentage) of participants in voting or picketing.
If that doesn't say something about the working conditions I don't know what will.
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Other airlines are picketing, yes. But no other company has the overwhelming numbers (by percentage) of participants in voting or picketing.
If that doesn't say something about the working conditions I don't know what will.
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To me I just see it as a well unified group…
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