ShyGuy

Now the 321s staying through "all" of 2023?

HotDogWater

Wasn't the plan?

rickair7777

There's a difference between "gone at the end of 2023" and "staying for all of 2023".

ShyGuy

So uh, where’s that 3rd step?

THE SHAFT

I believe in previous ALPA comms August was the tentative roll out.

airb320

Really, the 3rd step is your main concern?
Not the fact that top step CA’s haven’t had a raise in almost 3 years or we still haven’t gotten scope or that our schedules are pathetic for commuters? The 3rd step, telling…

echelon

I don't know that it's anyone's MAIN concern, but it's A concern that should have been easy to remedy since it was already agreed to years ago. The fact that it hasn't been implemented raises other very real concerns about the implementation schedule of whatever else we agree to in the future.

MinRest

Yep. 3rd step in it of its self isn't the issue. It is that the company agreed on it, ALPA agreed on it, the company then decided to sit on its hands for years and simply decided not to do it.

It should concern everyone that all the implementations of the new CBA we get will be held in the same regard. It should also be noted that if we don't get something in this next round of negotiations, don't hold your breath on getting ANYTHING before the contract becomes amenable again.

ShyGuy

Trying to think which of the 26 logical fallacies this is. Let’s go with Non sequitur argument.



echelon and Minrest are correct. They understood exactly where I’m coming from. 3rd step was agreed to years ago and the problem has been funding and implementing it. We’ve heard numerous excuses but bottom line, there is still no 3rd step. Writing off what I wrote by saying “really? You care about 3rd step and not (insert general lack of new contract stuff)” misses the point.

Even the ALPA proposal has things that will be mutually agreeable on in the future (like PBS implementation). 3rd step and its implementation should give a heads up about how things may go in the future. So yes, I’m asking about 3rd step. And I can ask that without having to bring up the subjects you brought up, all of which have to be contractually negotiated gains. 3rd step isn’t in that stage, that was already done. It just hasn’t been implemented.

9mikemike

Truth is….if and when a TA is produced, it will be missing strong, direct language that speaks to company past behaviors. It will be missing pointed, sharp and expensive remedies that address each and every section of the contract and each and every implementation schedule contained within it. No matter the content of the TA these items are worth a strong no vote on their own