Ala5ka

Top scale at envoy rates proposed at $221. Other regionals will have to follow suit in all likelihood.

The pool of people willing to jump to a bottom tier major airline such as alaska, spirit, frontier, jet blue, Hawaiian will likely shrink as a result. Why go to one of these airlines now?

shy guy is right, a full ask contract from alaska will not curb attrition.. now it likely will not be enough to garner the applicant pool necessary to cover the loses

rickair7777

It's crystal clear that the group is willing to strike, in large enough numbers to ground at least 95% of the operation. Also not all no voters are necessarily scabs, worst case they all cross it's still a 95% shutdown. So they can still run a few SEA-PDX and SEA-ANC flights. Day turns only, since I'm sure the management pilots need to drop their kids off at school and be back home in time for dinner.


How long to get released is the real question...

GearBoy

Angry cussing grasshopper, it’s called collective Bargaining for a reason. You enter negotiations at one place and through the bargaining process, emerge out the other end, You emerge with a TA molded through compromise. One key is to start with high enough openers and hold your ground.

The other side has aptitude and resolve as well. They’re typically better at it. They do it non-stop with ALL of your work groups. Pilot’s take a butter knife to a gun fight. If these things were not true, you wouldn't find yourself where you are, sucking hind-tit.

You don’t get the contract you deserve, you get the contract you leverage. The only real legal leverage the RLA gives you is the threat of a strike or an actual strike.

One more thing, your union is not just your MEC or your negotiators. It’s also all of the pilots. The question is whether the metal is moving. In the past, it has and therefore there was no reason for your management to yield to union aptitude and resolve. The history speaks for itself.

But, change has got to start somewhere. Maybe it’s already started to change. April 1st was impressive. A 99% strike vote? Impressive. Enough? Who knows. Time will tell.

Cuss me all you want
I still wish you good luck. It’s also called pattern bargaining for a reason.

rickair7777

My take: If this particular MEC sends a turd to the group, it will not be out of laziness... it will be because they made a strategic call that the company (or NMB) needs to see a turd voted down to make a point. I believe they can run a TA up the pole but at the same time not recommend that the pilots ratify.

Hopefully the strike vote was all the messaging required.

AK22

Thanks for the lesson bruh….move along, next…

GearBoy

Go back and re-read. I will re-type just for you.

I DO think you have the resolve to strike.

I actually hope you do strike. The industry as a whole needs to grow a pair. It’s ironic that it could be milquetoast Alaska.

GearBoy

if you don’t know your history, you’re doomed to repeat it, bruh
and it’s not going to be me to school you. You’ll learn the hard way

All Bizniz

Having read GearBoy's posts, it appears like he's either running Psy Ops on behalf of AS; or he's stirring the pot, just because he can.

Either way, this is a forum for opinions, rumors, conspiracy theories, venting, or whatever one's heart desires, so it is, what it is. Lol

GearBoy

Sometimes, the truth hurts. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly. Doesn’t make it any less true-

echelon

Oh please. Pointing out that Alaska has historically had a weak pilot group and that the only way to fix our contract is to gut it and start over is "Psy Ops?" I'd say he's got a point, but that's just me.
"Resolve" is just an ambiguous buzzword that the MEC throws around that doesn't mean anything specific - it's football coach talk. Resolve to what? Resolve to seek what specific outcome? I don't doubt this group's collective anger. I DO, however, very much doubt this group's ability to know good work rules if they sat on their face, let alone care about them enough to vote down a TA that doesn't include them. And that, like GearBoy said, is the test of true "resolve" - if we're served a TA that doesn't meet or raise the industry bar across the board can we recognize that we're stuck in the same loop as we always have been, can we break the cycle of milquetoast improvements that just enable the current system instead of forcing real changes, etc. And for a group of 3000, many of whom haven't worked at airlines other than Alaska or are comfortably senior or are otherwise out of touch with the industry, that's a lot harder than just all being mad about stuff.

I will absolutely withhold judgement until a TA is reached, and I will read that TA critically and try to see it in its totality but I haven't got much reason to be terribly optimistic at this point. Most people I fly with are unconcerned about the lackluster (to put it charitably) Section 25 improvements in the Term Sheet. If we end up with a TA that only perpetuates that terrible reserve rules here albeit with some minor improvements, and perpetuates the company's ability to treat line holders like reserves, it will be because this pilot group didn't have the resolve to demand more. And if it passes, it will be because we didn't have the resolve to vote it down.