ShyGuy

Yup.

This is Delta…

ShyGuy

I mean, you do realize, especially last year, they literally changed the formula to ensure a close to 5% payout would happen for 2020 right?

I did the math. Back then it was supposed to be 70% profit, 10% safety, 10% brand, and 10% something else. Putting 0 for profit at 70% weight, the math I got showed about a 1.15% payout for profit share. They did readjust the formula to make it more focus-related and increase the payout 4x as much. We got 4.98% in a year everyone else got $0.00 and a year we lost $1 billion+ (and billions of losses at other airlines).

Now 2021 was a full annual loss overall and you’re getting 6.225% payout. For me, using the calculator that looks like one month of pay (at 75 hr guarantee). Obviously PBP is contractual, but the terms inside of it can be changed at their whim and to be fair, at least they changed metrics around to make sure there was at least close to a 5% payout.

Yes, the contract negotiations are stalled, feet dragging, etc. But if you are honest, they at least did the PBP numbers in the employee’s favor. Especially for 2020 and for 2021 as well.


The strike fund suggestion seems premature, and I’m surprised a local LEC would make that suggestion when the AS MEC has not said so.

rickair7777

I was just fine with Mary. I was much better with Wendy though.

All Bizniz

A business operator's dream scenario.

All Bizniz

Doesn't matter the financial gymnastics they used to come up with the bonus payment.

I'm just saying that the cushion gets built up over decades because of having salary expenses that are below industry averages. They therefore come out smelling like a rose by looking like the benevolent employer that still gave us PS, even during years when losses were made.

It's contractual, but being shrewd business men, they got us to sign off on them paying us every year end with our own money, and they hope that the blind gratitude of some of us, might allow them to once again get away with a "business as usual" contract when the time comes around.

ShyGuy

The bold part won’t happen. The MEC knows what we want. They won’t present us a TA if they know it won’t pass by the majority of the pilot group. I have faith in our MEC.

Speed Pilot

You do know the MEC takes its orders from the LEC’s right? And the LEC takes direction from its members? Sounds like the pilots of that council are drawing their lines in the sand.

All Bizniz

We're certainly on the same page about our confidence in our MEC.

All Bizniz

Speed Pilot, thanks for that very good explanation on that aspect of how our unions work. I'm sure not all of us really realized how influential we can be in the process.

Curious question...

Over the years, we've heard many stories of MECs, industry wide, seemingly going against the wishes of their pilots, making deals, and presenting TAs or doing side deals that were unpopular, or ultimately had a negative effect. It's the reason why some pilots hate ALPA.

What motivates MECs to sometimes go rogue, if we can call it that?
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PNWFlyer

exactly! And this (6.2% PBP) is Alaska being just as disingenuous.

I read the letters from Management sent to us today. “See, we lost money, but we are still paying you!”

Well, that’s because we have a contract that says you have to, even if we didn’t, management never does anything out of the kindness of their heart. It is always a business decision.

They are most likely hoping the word of this “bonus” gets out and a few starry-eyed NewGuys and HotDogs will sign up to fly with us. Or they really do like us that much???